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  From:  Neil Bothwick <neil@wire.net.uk>
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 Dated:  Friday, 05-Nov-99, 23:33:58
 About:  [afb] Re: suicidal Amigans 


Hello Neil,

>> Ben, annoyed that a discussion about electricity should have the
>> subject "Suicidal Amigans".
 
> If you're so against electrocution, what method would you advocate? :)

Slow and tortuous death by windows installation?

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  From:  Bernard Hatch <berno@enterprise.net>
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 Dated:  Friday, 05-Nov-99, 23:49:36
 About:  [afb] Re: Scala and graphic cards 


Hello Bernard,

>>> Err no it isn't. ScalaMM400 can open Multiscan:Productivity, and
>>> others of the VGA variety too. As long as the screen mode names are
>>> available (if you can see them in the Workbench screen mode
>>> preferences GUI, you can use them in Scala).

> Is this true for ScalaMM300?

I don't have ScalaMM300 installed on disk still, but the manual has VGA
modes like Double PAL mentioned as far back as ScalaMM200, so I'd say
yes it would.

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> >>> Err no it isn't. ScalaMM400 can open Multiscan:Productivity, and
> >>> others of the VGA variety too. As long as the screen mode names
are
> >>> available (if you can see them in the Workbench screen mode
> >>> preferences GUI, you can use them in Scala).
> 
> > Is this true for ScalaMM300?
> 
> I don't have ScalaMM300 installed on disk still, but the manual has
VGA
> modes like Double PAL mentioned as far back as ScalaMM200, so I'd say
> yes it would.

I can tell you for a fact that it can. I'm using ScalaMM300 to link
together various rendered anims, which it does perfectly. More than I
can say for Powerpoint!

Paul

Hello All,

On 04-Nov-99, Gareth Griffiths wrote:

> which tells you that the OEM of Miami could not becompleted in time and
> that an upgrade to the OEM version will be made available via the
> Internet.

Just a little thing that's been bugging me for a while, what does OEM
actually stand for and why do companies do it? For instance, a motherboard
would have cost me 120 retail box but I got it for 60 OEM. All that was
missing was the pretty box.

Bye,

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Hello All,

On 04-Nov-99, hugo@inbbs.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

> Hello...
> 
> "alan l.m. buxey" <kcci-@central.susx.ac.uk> wrote: 
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=35573
>> 
>> while i'm still online....
>> 
>> the server you want is
>> 
>> euro23.v27.distributed.net (port 23)
>> 
>> alan
> 
> are you sure?? i've always used v27.distributed.net and that has worked
> fine.
> 
> i just tried euro23.blah blah and i don't seem to get any 'service'...
> it
> connects tho!

I use rc5europroxy.distributed.net port 2064. It sometimes takes awhile to
connect but it's fast enough after that.
 
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Hello All,

On 05-Nov-99, Ben Vost wrote:

> the new year. It would be good if my Amiga was working to play with it
> on...

What's wrong with your Amiga?

Bye,

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I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to
make it shorter.
-- Blaise Pascal

To AFB Members,

I apologise if this will be a bit long, but I believe that we have been
blaming Amiga for all the problems when I think that Gateway (their
owners) haven't helped either.  In fact, this is my damning on
Gateway...

I have read many of Gateway's policies on their website
(http://www.gateway.com), and in fairness, they DO comply to these
policies so long as the division concerned is the PC one, i.e. not the
Amiga division.   I quote:

" Our "You've got a friend in the business"=AE slogan encourages
relationships. The world of             computers seems complex and
confusing. Its history started with slick, high-margin sales. We     
changed all that. Now when customers want a fair deal and honest,
respectful, caring treatment,    they turn to Gateway.  "

Well, in 1997, Amigans were glad that big bucks Gateway bought the
down-and-out Amiga Technologies GmbH, now, 2000 is encroaching and we
have no real delivering from Amiga, except a OS update which took three
years, OS 3.5.  The section "Now when customers want a fair deal and
honest, respectful, caring treatment,   they turn to Gateway." is
rubbish as far as Amigans are concerned since this needs to be adapted
to read after the main part 

"However, when Amigans want a fair deal and honest, respectful, caring
treatment, they turn to Gateway and we obligingly say 'Pi*s of you
money scrounging filth, just because you have the best computer, and
somehow suvived two bankruptcies doesn't mean we're gonna listen to
you!'"

Can you honestly say that Gateway gave Amiga or Amigans a 'Caring
Treatment', no, we got CEO changes by the gallon and ditched plans by
the bucket load'.  Gateway are trying to make money from Amiga by
giving no initial REAL development funds, I mean Gateway got the hump
when Jim Collas used, wow $1 million dollars.  So if Gateway get the
hump each time Amiga uses $1 million, can you actually see this
revolution being a sucess, at least with the Gateway owned Amiga? 
Consider that a single TV advert can cost about =A310,000 for half a
minute at prime time, you're not going to get much marketing, then take
into account a development budget and funds to persuade hardware
manufacturers to use Amiga's OE, how on earth can a earth shaking
campaign be done with $1 million dollars?!

<Gateway>

"That promise, at home or office, means living up to some very high
standards. That doesn't scare us. Sure, we face big risks if we don't
deliver on that promise, but we also enjoy rewards when we do."

Well, that must either mean that Amiga have been unlucky and those
promises are always broken, or is it that Gateway only care about their
PC business and don't give a jack sh*t about Amiga and Amigans.  The
latter applies.  So what rewards do they enjoy by messing about with
Amiga?  I bet some power-crazed idiot at Gateway enjoys laughing at the
way we react when they cut Amiga's budgets and so on.  I mean, even
Amiga's website is, well, very amateur.  Compare it to the slick Apple
website (sorry!), and you'll see that Amiga's website needs a facelift.
 I mean honestly, they still have the A1200 and A4000T shown on their
site which are machines with a combination of 1985/1991 and 1995
technology!  But this is not Amiga's fault - if Gateway gave Amiga time
and money, then Amiga may have been able to advertise a new Amiga-type
machine.  

But alas none of this happened. :-( x 1000000000000000

So, I now call all of you to now bombard Gateway with your problems,
not Amiga - since it's them, that's stopping Amiga, do you think Amiga
really would choose not to make a future for itself and deserved
Amigans, I think not...

Nick.

On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 12:59:02 +0000, chris wibbled=2E=2E=2E

> That's put me off pre-ordering from them again=2E :(  I'll wait for the
> reviews in the Amiga press=2E

I still haven't received my NC3 CD (I entered the wrong number on the
order form, corrected it two weeks ago, but still have no
acknowledgement that it's been corrected)=2E Now Chris says on the NC list
that he can't send CD's out at the moment=2E So much for pre-ordering
(28th September) :(

--=20
=3DThe Wibble=3D      http://www=2Ethewibble=2Eco=2Euk     "As recommended =
by people"
=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=
=AF=AF=AF=AF (NEW) NEW LOOK!! =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=
=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF
Back with gaudy colours and new articles including=2E=2E=2EFull Fat Eastend=
ers=2E=2E=2E
           Postcards From Europe=2E=2E=2EHow Fire Works=2E=2E=2E And poetry

On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 04:07:43 -0800,  wibbled=2E=2E=2E

> Is there any Amiga users who use NTL as there ISP=2E=20
> However NTL told me that it is only possable to use there service with=20
> Windows or Mac OS=2E Considering his knowlage of Amiga (he had not even
> heard of it)=20

If you have the CD, look for a file that has the extension "=2Eins"; I
can't remember the first bit (possibly "signup=2Eins" etc), but if you
open this file, you'll find all the info you need; an area code, a
number a test logon name and password=2E Enter these into Genesis or
Miami, and you'll get online with them=2E Then look in the same file for a
URL that looks like a signup page - they're all different=2E Fill in the
details, download the =2Eins file they give you, and adjust your prefs=2E
You'll get online easily :)
--=20
=3DThe Wibble=3D      http://www=2Ethewibble=2Eco=2Euk     "As recommended =
by people"
=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=
=AF=AF=AF=AF (NEW) NEW LOOK!! =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=
=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF
Back with gaudy colours and new articles including=2E=2E=2EFull Fat Eastend=
ers=2E=2E=2E
           Postcards From Europe=2E=2E=2EHow Fire Works=2E=2E=2E And poetry

Hi M.,

On 05-Nov-99 you wrote:

> I must have about 3
> books here that tell me how to change default settings on
> Windows 95, 98, NT4 and 2000.

3 books for 4 OSs?

</pedant>

:)

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> So, I now call all of you to now bombard Gateway with your problems,
> not Amiga - since it's them, that's stopping Amiga, do you think Amiga
> really would choose not to make a future for itself and deserved
> Amigans, I think not...

Or we could just ignore them and do something better instead?

Support Phoenix, think of things for OS3.5 SP1, just lay off the
'bombard Gateway with hate mail' trip.
 
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> Hi M.,
> 
> On 05-Nov-99 you wrote:
> 
> > I must have about 3
> > books here that tell me how to change default settings on
> > Windows 95, 98, NT4 and 2000.
> 
> 3 books for 4 OSs?
> 
> </pedant>
> 
> :)

There are no books for 2000 (i.e. Resource Kits), so we use
the NT4 books instead.

HA!

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On 04-Nov-99, jamesd@iname.com wrote:

> Last requests from me.
> 
> It would be great if we can select an icon on the Workbench and hit the
> delete key to delete it instead of always having to go to the Workbench
> menue.
> 
> Workbench deleted items should be placed in the trashcan and the
> trashcan should support restoring items in it to their original place. 
> (Some of the few Windows features I actually like)
> 
> It would also be nice if the delete command placed things in the
> trashcan unless a command line option is used to override.  
> 
> Possibly a preferance could control this behavior (on/off) for both.
> 

In Windows, if you hold down shift while deleting something it gets
permanently deleted. This would be a better option (IMO).

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  From:  Alan L.M. Buxey <kcci1@central.susx.ac.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Friday, 05-Nov-99, 01:00:27
 About:  [afb] Re: Auto-updating apps, working together for a greater
good and other such rubbish (was prof. inet. stds.) 


Hello Alan,

>> I'll now take the time to point out that not everywhere has free
>> ISPs. We now have two semi-free (one of them offers 5 hours a month
>> free, then you pay for additional time). Decent MODEMs aren't cheap
>> either. And there's all the virus issues too, of always downloading
>> things.

> 1) the net is evolving. by this time next year you'll probably have a
> free connection to a 512k/s line

I seriously doubt it.  Our phone system's 20 years out of date, and I'm
on the newest exchange in our area too.

> 2) decent modems...well, 33.6 is a good start and they are cheap

The only new ones worth bothering with are around $200+.

> 3) viruses are always an issue. even coverCD's have them. the main
> archives are virus checked..and if one does get on there, it's known
> about within minutes (the download rate is that high)

Not if you set up a system, get it working, then don't fiddle with new
software, or bring in disks.

Bye,
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Hi Tim,

> It's as annoying as your mum telling you to wash the dishes when you'd
> already started doing them ten minutes ago.  But she does that to make
> herself feel important, as if you'd not have done them without her
> telling you to do them.

Try excusing yourself from the table, saying "just got to use the
toilet". Then sneak off into the kitchen, quietly do the washing up,
walk back into the living room and put your feet up. Then when asked
if you're going to do the dishes say "in your dreams woman" and bury
your head in a newspaper.

Gets 'em every time  ;)

Eddie

Hi,

I seem to recall a mention of a file mti.data, and it being one part
from a trojan virus.  Does anybody recall this, or know what it's
really for?

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  From:  Alan L.M. Buxey <kcci1@central.susx.ac.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Friday, 05-Nov-99, 06:22:26
 About:  [afb] Re: OS3.5 Service Pack 1 - Wish List 


Hello Alan,

> apps shouldnt crash for running out of memory...they should be able to
> exit gracefully. likewise, if it cant start because of a lack of
> memory, a message should come up.

Bad programming that, authors ought to be keeping a track of available
resources, as nothing else will know how much memory that program is
going to need.

Here's one that peeves me all the time:  Programs that require a
specific file, or version of it, but won't tell you.  Surely it's not
too hard for some program that does a mass check for it's files at
start up (like some do), to actually tell you it couldn't find version
12.4 of file xyz, instead of just quitting silently, or crashing.

Bye,
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 Dated:  Friday, 05-Nov-99, 05:45:47
 About:  [afb] Re: suicidal Amigans 


Hello Patrice,

>  In French we call it THT ( not N! ) which plainly stands for 'very
> high tension', but I'm almost sure it's not stored in the tube,
> actually.

The Extra High Tension 11kv or greater, is stored in the tube.  The
aquadag (conductive black paint) over the glass, and the other (inside)
of the glass, form a capacitor (stores the charge).

Bye,
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  From:  Matthew O'Neill <mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Thursday, 04-Nov-99, 07:28:15
 About:  [afb] webmap 


Hello Matthew,

> Help!, I'm trying to use ppaint7 to make a webmap. I'm using the rexx
> script to make it. All goes fine, but when loaded into a browser, no
> links are assiged though :( even though the picture appears fine. Here
> is the code created.....
> 
> <IMG SRC="webmap.gif" USEMAP="#GUI">
> <MAP NAME="GUI">
> <AREA SHAPE="rect" COORDS="238,90,427,110" HREF="title.html">
> <AREA SHAPE="rect" COORDS="293,136,393,163" HREF="add.html">
> </MAP>              

Try putting ALT="something USEFULLY descriptive in here" into the IMG
tag, it's REQUIRED now.  Whether that helps or not, there should be
one.  Have you read the official HTML specs (just read the bit about
image maps now).

http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40  (latest version, front page)
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/objects.html#h-13.6  (maps)

Bye,
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  From:  Matthew O'Neill <mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk>
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 Dated:  Thursday, 04-Nov-99, 05:13:56
 About:  [afb] Re: suicidal Amigans 


Hello Matthew,

>> "its the volts that jolts, and the mill's that kills"
 
> I never did getthe whole volt, watts, amps deal though :/....

Joules is energy.  The building blocks of the whole lot.

Voltage is the difference in potential between two points.

Current is what does the meaty stuff (and kills you if there's enough of
it [30 milli amps], no matter what the voltage is).

Watts is Voltage x Current.

And Voltage and Current are inter-related (Current is proportional to
the Voltage through a Resistance).

Bye,
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  From:  Eddie Maddock <eddie@maddock.prestel.co.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Friday, 05-Nov-99, 17:10:57
 About:  [afb] Re: Crappy idea (big prefs) 


Hello Eddie,

>> It's as annoying as your mum telling you to wash the dishes when
>> you'd already started doing them ten minutes ago. But she does that
>> to make herself feel important, as if you'd not have done them
>> without her telling you to do them.
 
> Try excusing yourself from the table, saying "just got to use the
> toilet". Then sneak off into the kitchen, quietly do the washing up,
> walk back into the living room and put your feet up. Then when asked
> if you're going to do the dishes say "in your dreams woman" and bury
> your head in a newspaper.
> 
> Gets 'em every time  ;)

Hahahhaha.  But I think if I saw someone heading for the kitchen, after
they'd just told me they were going to the loo, I'd probably stop them.

<sick grin>

Bye,
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*Hello Tim*

*On 05-Nov-99, you mailed me about [afb] unknown file, so here's my reply..*

> Hi,
> 
> I seem to recall a mention of a file mti.data, and it being one part
> from a trojan virus.  Does anybody recall this, or know what it's
> really for?
> 
> Bye,
> Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

Its used by MagicWB2.0. The file is called ataditm in the distribution
directory and copied to S: as mti.data. If you play it using Play16 or
something you'll get the THX sound sample. Its the one used by the "Optmised
for greater WOrkbench performance" thing that occassionally apeears when
using MWB. Deleting mti.data apparently stops this from occurring. 

That help? :)

*bYe nOw!*
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Rap is to music what Etch-A-Sketch is to art.

> Well, here is my list for a service pack.
> 
> 1. A more reliable install.  I had to start over at least half a dozen
> times, manually launch Workbench, load CD drivers, etc., before the
> install actually worked.  

For a service pack?
 
> 2. More system utilities.

Explain.

> 3. A form of Dial-Up networking that we don't have to register
> separately!!!  I thought that was lame!

MiamiOEM is coming later. That's bad. But there are many issues
with including a fully-capable IP stack in an upgrade - i.e.
people will download the upgrade and just use the stack whether
they have 3.5 or not.

Unless you see it coming on CD exclusively, in which case you'd
have to pay for the CD and delivery.

> 4. If the Daytona Java Virtual Machine shows up, include it.

Why?

> 5. DVD drivers.  Not movie players but just drivers to read 
> DVD disks. 

Good one. UDF filesystem support... although...

> 6. Some standard USB support.  Individual card makers could add
> hardware specific stuff for their card.  (possibly a later OS release)

There are no USB cards available, pointless.
 
> 6. *IF* the boxer goes on sale, support for it and some common PCI
> based cards. Things like some common graphics cards, a couple SCSI
> cards, USB cards, etc.

That's Picasso96's job

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> 
> On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> > Oh yeah.... why didn't you say that before?
> 
> :-) i see you rweb page has now made it onto www.amiga.org's news!

That would explain why my machine was creaking this morning ;)

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Hi all,
 anyone know why I might be getting 'WARNING: too many bounced messages'
message from eGroups?
I got one for afb-ot and know afb, but I don't know why.

-curry
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Hi Alan,

>> Name me one other OS that has all it's main preferences in
>> one application. Windows doesn't count ;)

> well, Linux is going this way in most of its areas. windowmaker, gnome
> and enlightenment all have singular prefs programs for all their
> features....and thats for the GUI, which makes it very equivalent to the
> AMiga workbench scenario. Also, RedHat system prefs are found in one
> program too

And most monitors, phones, PDAs and other things have a single place to
change prefs...

All the best,
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Hi Andy,

> What are the chances of reading that review this side of the new year,
> Ben? 

It's unlikely to happen in this issue, which is the last one out this year,
because of the fact that we've actually been waiting for Tornado 3. I
expect to pick up a copy next weekend, so hopefully we'll run one in the
new year. It would be good if my Amiga was working to play with it on...

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Hi alex.paton@tesco.net,

> Has anyone succesfully promoted Scala with ModePro or even better is
> there an EX which 
> will run on a Cybergraphx screen.

No there isn't (TTBOMK). It's a PAL/NTSC-only program.

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Hi Alan,


>>   It's easy if you know my mate's Gran:  Ivy Watts   ;)

> or Charley Watts, the famous muso ;-)

Why? Are they both suicidal? (/me looks at subject line...)

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Hi Carl,

>> In case anyone hasn't noticed, I have been spelling millennium
>> deliberately wrongly in all the mails I've posted to this list, just to
>> spread dissent and confusion over its spelling in addition to its date...
>>> :)
> 
> Hey I thought Rich was the evil one.  Is he influencing you ?   Did
> you influence him ?  Are you really evil or just quasi-evil, diet-evil
> ?  Is AF a haven of evilness ?  As a subscriber I demand to know.

There is a general aura of evility that lingers around the whole of
Future...

> Carl
> Accy, Lancs.
> (Arrgh I've told them where I live now)

Live? Not for long! Mwahahahaahaha!

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Hi Alan,

>> 5. DVD drivers.  Not movie players but just drivers to read DVD disks.=
 =

>> The other DVD stuff will follow on it's own and can be added later. =

>> (possibly a later OS release)

> noted. updated CD filesystem

You can already get Allegro CDFS that supports the DVD filing system (and=

I'll hopefully see DVDs being played on Amigas in K=F6ln... you should re=
ally
all go).
 =

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> > Has anyone succesfully promoted Scala with ModePro or even better is
> > there an EX which 
> > will run on a Cybergraphx screen.
> 
> No there isn't (TTBOMK). It's a PAL/NTSC-only program.

You can set the menu and presentation screenmode in the prefs. I've got
Scala happily running in DblPAL.

Paul

Hi Brian,

> This is a plea to the Amiga community.  I got the NC3 upgrade but
> Voyager and Webvision won't work.  This is the latest in a string of
> problems I have had recently.  My problem is that I am again
> considering selling up and buying a PEECEE.  Can anyone convince me to
> stick to my miggy?  At the minute I am split about 70/30 in favour of
> selling up.  Can anayone talk me round?  

It's already been said several times on here, but the first batch of NC3 CDs
had a problem in the Voyager and WebVision files but the versions from
Aminet or Vapor's site work perfectly well...

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> Hi all,
> 
> After my second day of work experience, I've been picking out lots of
> points about Windows which really irritate me, and comparing them to
> Workbench. I really don't care if you don't wanna know, either :)
> 
> Firstly, why the hell is it that some programs insist that you need to
> restart your machine when it's *plainly* obvious you don't! Why is it
> plainly obvious?

Some programs alter the registry and register DLLs which really do
need a restart for them to be fully applied. Some parts of the registry
can ONLY be altered by rebooting the machine, because they ONLY get
read and acted upon on STARTUP.

It's plainly obvious they *DO* need to reboot - if you understand how
Windows does things.

> Secondly, Why is it that you can never ever ever ever tell 
> what the hell is wrong with a PC? Cases in point:
> 
>  1) Today, we (that's me and my dad, the IT Technician I'm 
> working with :) server room, and logged on. Ran Word to see
> if it still crashed when opening the 'Open File' dialog box,

Why are you running Word on the server?

> and then I had to go around all 4 IT rooms telling everyone to
> log off for 10 minutes while we rebooted the server.

Don't you have the ability to send network broadcast messages?

> I honestly can't see something like this happening on an Amiga.

I can.

>  2) Also today, we were going round all 150 machines, 
> installing software on them all. We went into room after room,
> turning on the machines, installing and turning them off again.

You're working in a shithole! Nobody does that anymore. Even
the college I used to be at had an automatic software-update
system!

> which someone had got access to control panel, and changed the font
> settings. Not only can the default settings not be restored 

*sigh*, were you logged in as the administrator?

> And why is it that when something goes wrong, generally, the 
> easy option is to reinstall windows. That's what we're having
> to do on the computer with font problems, and what a trivial
> thing to have to reinstall it over!

The easy option is to fix the problem. I must have about 3
books here that tell me how to change default settings on
Windows 95, 98, NT4 and 2000.

> image of a working, default settings, hard disk (using a
> program that *really* hogs the network meaning no-one can

Let me guess. You're using BNC cabling (whoops! bad idea)
and if you aren't then your machines definitely aren't
switched directly to the server, in which case the network
just can't TAKE the data that's going through.

The program is not at fault. If the people who installed it
actually cared about the network topography, you'd be in
a better position now.

> really do  anything), which we'll have to write to the
> offending hard disk tomorrow. Oh, I forgot. Someone's
> using that room tomorrow :)

That's your problem.

> Anyway, I'm off. We're installing a print server in the 
> library tomorrow.

I hate school computer systems ;)

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Hi Neil,

>> Yes, but what will I have to pay for something I thought I was already
>> getting?

> About 3p to download it.

> Would you like us to have a whip round for you?

You wouldn't raise that much on here...

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Tim Seifert wrote:
> 
> _Replying to a message_:
> 
>   From:  Matthew O'Neill <mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk>
>    Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
>  Dated:  Thursday, 04-Nov-99, 05:13:56
>  About:  [afb] Re: suicidal Amigans
> 
> Hello Matthew,
> 
> >> "its the volts that jolts, and the mill's that kills"
> 
> > I never did getthe whole volt, watts, amps deal though :/....
> 
> Joules is energy.  The building blocks of the whole lot.
<pedantic>
Not quite. Joules are derived units. The important building block here
is elecrical charge. It quite arbitrary, really. It depends mostly on
what angle you're coming from. But bear in mind that I=n*Qe/s - where
n=number of electrons, Qe is the charge on an electron and s is the time
it took for all those electrons to pass a point. No joules there.

> 
> Watts is Voltage x Current.
> 
No, *POWER* = Voltage x Current, and the units of power are Watts
(usualy - eg, you could have units of KiloCaleries per Annum, but the
scientific and engineering communities would frown on you =).

> And Voltage and Current are inter-related (Current is proportional to
> the Voltage through a Resistance).

Only if the conductor is ohmic and at constant temperature/cross
sectional area/length. Diodes are definately NOT omhic, for example, as
they only conduct fully in one direction, and require a certain voltage
before they operate.
</pedantic>

-curry, hoping noone notices he's a student and should know better...
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> Last requests from me.
> 
> It would be great if we can select an icon on the Workbench 
> and hit the delete key to delete it instead of always having
> to go to the Workbench menue.

Added. You can do it through ARexx and FKey, but it's do
difficult to program (I tried, I failed ;) that I wouldn't
inflict such a task on anyone ;)

> Workbench deleted items should be placed in the trashcan and the
> trashcan should support restoring items in it to their 
> original place. (Some of the few Windows features I actually like)

Errr.. that's been on the list since the start..

> It would also be nice if the delete command placed things in the
> trashcan unless a command line option is used to override.  

I won't put that in..
 
> Possibly a preferance could control this behavior (on/off) for both.

Always ;)

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Hello Chris

On 06-Nov-99, you wrote:

> I've had this three times with Power myself. The best one being my
> Power Tower, that didn't actually leave Power until 3 weeks after
> I'd bought it and paid for next-day delivery. Power insisted that
> Citylink kept screwing up the delivery (going to wrong houses etc).
> 
> My Kylwalda took 4 days on next-day delivery and my Power Flyer took
> 3 days :(

Well, I'm glad it's not just me that has trouble. :\

Someone somewhere down the line must be using a little creative dating.
The girl at Power said that the 'goods had been sent' when I phoned on
Monday. She didn't actually say what day. But then the Citylink man
said that they had only got the package to deliver on Monday, yet they
had tried to deliver it to me on Monday but no one was in. This must
have been about an hour after I phoned Power. This sugests that if
Power had only despached the package on Monday as citylink claim then
citylink are capable of one hour delivery. So after all this why did
it still take 4 days?

Must lie down now my brain hurts.

P.C.

fool <basehead-@bigfoot.com> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=35780
> Hi maartend@dds.nl,
> 
> On 05-Nov-99 you wrote:
> 
> > I started with the Image-FX manual from CU. In it it says;
> > to delete the current brush press the full stop key.
>                                                      ^
> That one? ;)
> 
> Or maybe it's the any key...
> 
> Martin, oh dear.

  Excuse me but, unless you're both kidding, why can't it be
the key with a full stop on it, i.e. THAT '.'  ?

  Patrice - Still writing from his browser <:-(

On 06-Nov-99 13:26:27 GMT, Paul Crellin wrote:

> Someone somewhere down the line must be using a little creative dating.
> The girl at Power said that the 'goods had been sent' when I phoned on
> Monday. She didn't actually say what day. But then the Citylink man
> said that they had only got the package to deliver on Monday, yet they
> had tried to deliver it to me on Monday but no one was in. This must
> have been about an hour after I phoned Power. This sugests that if
> Power had only despached the package on Monday as citylink claim then
> citylink are capable of one hour delivery. So after all this why did
> it still take 4 days?

What you're forgetting about is the weekend!  For starters, next-day
delivery only applies to working days - you have to pay extra for a
Saturday delivery.  So, taking the weekend out of your calculations,
leaves 2 days.

Of course, presuming CityLink collected your parcel from Power on
Thursday evening, you should have received it on Friday.  CityLink
may well have stuffed up if this is the case.  Or you may have ordered
too late in the day to make it in time for the CityLink collection at
Power.  You could phone Power and tell them about the situation.  If
CityLink have failed to deliver next-day, then CityLink should offer
some kind of refund, which Power should pass on to you.

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On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Unless you know better?

by the way, your emails ALSO start with:

    [The following text is in the "windows-1252" character set]
    [Your display is set for the "iso-8859-1" character set]
    [Some characters may be displayed incorrectly]

alan

> On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> > > err, you didnt mention Imagine.
> > 
> > You can't buy Imagine anymore, nor can you enter the
> > constant-upgrade program now.
> > 
> > Unless you know better?
> 
> but of course! :-)
> 
> http://www.cadtech.demon.co.uk/
> 
> only 2 weeks ago did they sort out more of the V6 manual. 

Great..?
 
> by the way, your mail said that those 3 were the best you could get on
> the Amiga...didnt say anything about availability or being able to get
> hold of it ;-)

Grrr!
 
> anyway, the people at Cadtech are doing a fine job

But nobody sees it, except loyal Imagine users. That's
no use for necrothingy ;)

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On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> > So what happens if Miami tries to call an LVO that only exists in
> > version 44 of workbench.library?
> 
> That's rather mean, and rather bad programming practice.

  But then it would be your fault for hacking the workbench.library to
make it think it's a v44.


bye,
  Chris

> On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> > Unless you know better?
> 
> by the way, your emails ALSO start with:
> 
>     [The following text is in the "windows-1252" character set]
>     [Your display is set for the "iso-8859-1" character set]
>     [Some characters may be displayed incorrectly]

Is that better?

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> >     [The following text is in the "windows-1252" character set]
> >     [Your display is set for the "iso-8859-1" character set]
> >     [Some characters may be displayed incorrectly]
> 
> Is that better?

Damn, it isn't. You can talk anyway, with your mailer set to US-ASCII

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On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> But nobody sees it, except loyal Imagine users. That's
> no use for necrothingy ;)

?? the cadtech pages have been mentioned in Amiga mags and in the 4 main
Amiga WWW news pages during the past year

alan

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Is that better?

nope :-(

alan

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Damn, it isn't. You can talk anyway, with your mailer set to US-ASCII

;-) at least its a simple ISO ascii set. okay, i'll try to change that
too :-)

alan

"sealey, m." <mws-@leicester.ac.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=35686
> > So, I now call all of you to now bombard Gateway with your problems,
> > not Amiga - since it's them, that's stopping Amiga, do you think
Amiga
> > really would choose not to make a future for itself and deserved
> > Amigans, I think not...
> 
> Or we could just ignore them and do something better instead?
> 
> Support Phoenix, think of things for OS3.5 SP1, just lay off the
> 'bombard Gateway with hate mail' trip.
>  
> --

Actually, that's much of a valid point, I'm personally more interested
in the Pheonix Platform Consortium that Amiga now!

Nick.

> On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> > But nobody sees it, except loyal Imagine users. That's
> > no use for necrothingy ;)
> 
> ?? the cadtech pages have been mentioned in Amiga mags and in 
> the 4 main Amiga WWW news pages during the past year

You misunderstand. I'd love to see what CadTech are doing.

But can I get a copy of Imagine?

No. Nobody does, unless they enrolled in that ACUP thing.

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> On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> > Damn, it isn't. You can talk anyway, with your mailer set 
> > to US-ASCII
> 
> ;-) at least its a simple ISO ascii set. okay, i'll try to change that
> too :-)

ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/VENDORS/MICSFT/WINDOWS/CP1252.TXT

It's on the Unicode site. What can I say?

Either way, it's YOUR mailer that has the problem. It should just ignore
the charset and display as normal, throwing errors up is no way to act!

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> > > So, I now call all of you to now bombard Gateway with..
> > 
> > Or we could just ignore them and do something better instead?
> > 
> > Support Phoenix, think of things for OS3.5 SP1, just lay off the
> > 'bombard Gateway with hate mail' trip.
> 
> Actually, that's much of a valid point, I'm personally more interested
> in the Pheonix Platform Consortium that Amiga now!

So where in the Phoenix mission statement does it say "feel free to
hatemail Gateway"?

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Tim Seifert wrote:
> 
> _Replying to a message_:
> 
>   From:  A. Timiney <XATIMINEY@knowles-hill.devon.sch.uk>
>    Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
>  Dated:  Saturday, 06-Nov-99, 05:18:16
>  About:  [afb] Re: suicidal Amigans
> 
> Hello A.,
> 
> >>>> "its the volts that jolts, and the mill's that kills"
> 
> >>> I never did getthe whole volt, watts, amps deal though :/....
> 
> >> Joules is energy.  The building blocks of the whole lot.
> 
> > <pedantic>
> 
> I was putting a much simplified description.  If I wanted to get out my
> Electronics Engineering manuals, I could go into great depth about how
> energy can be measured using Joules as a unit.
Oh, don't mind me, I'm just bitter about the way, for the past 10 years
or so, each new school year I have been told by my science teachers that
everything we were taught last year wasn't entirely accurate or true. I
wouldn't mind if would have been incapable of understanding a more
advanced version at the time, or been unable to accept that inability.
> 
> Most of which is completely unimportant in real life, and about as
> interesting in here as how many lines are in my startup-sequence.  ;-)
> 
How many, how many? =P

> >> Watts is Voltage x Current.
> 
> > No, *POWER* = Voltage x Current, and the units of power are Watts

> Likewise, I could have said P = VI and P is measured in Watts 
Yeh, but Watts are still units.

>(without
> going into the tangled web of power factor correction.
Ooh, something I don't know. Tell me more =)
> 
> I said proportional.  You know what that means? 
Yeh, but whenever I say proportional, and don't mean directly
proportional, I get corrected.
Besides, if you mean... ah, never mind, this is dull.
> 
> > -curry, hoping noone notices he's a student and should know better...
> 
> Tim - Electronics Engineer, in the real world.

-curry, wondering what the real world is.

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"sealey, m." <mws-@leicester.ac.uk> wrote: 
> You can't buy Imagine anymore, nor can you enter the
> constant-upgrade program now.
> 
> Unless you know better?
I tried i really did,.. i dont think they wanted my money cos i
couldent find and amiga dealer (in this country) who had old (i5) stock
or could source any more. Which is a pitty, cos it was great (if you
had a few, days|weeks|months)
available to learn it.

"sealey, m." <mws-@leicester.ac.uk> wrote: 
> So where in the Phoenix mission statement does it say "feel free to
> hatemail Gateway"?
Just after the bit that reminds us that the people with the hardware
rights and design/production facilites, wont make amiga hardware.

> I haven't tried the CDROM yet, at the moment if I try to boot from a
> workbench disk then I get "Cannot find 4x Buffered interface" when the
> 3.52 disk is connected to the primary port. I have tried booting with
> my bother's 2.5" disk connected an it works fine, however when I tried
> to connect the 3.5" disk, HD ToolBox refuses to work after scanning
the
> 2.5" disk, I tried changing the jumper on the 3.5" to slave but, then
> it stopped everything form working properly and the HD light just
> stayed on. I just appears that the software doen't want to work when
> the 3.5" drive is connected!! There were two lots of software, a 3.5"
> installer disk for 4GB+ disks and the EIDE'99 disk.

AFAIK the primary port is just a passthrough, so you shouldnt need the
IDE software just for a single HD (at least I dont..I only load IDEFIX
to access the drives on channel 2)
 I take it the drive isnt formatted yet..what happens if the 3.5" HD is
set to Master, and put on the primary channel(with all other devices
removed) does it show up then from a Floppy boot of WB in HDtoolbox?
 One other thing springs to mind..from what you said above, it sounds
like you tried your brothers 2.5" HD and primary master, and your 3.5"
drive as primary slave, I remember reading in AF that quite a few 2.5"
HD`s are made to be the only HD on the cable and stop other drives
being seen, and in some case even stop it from booting!..maybe this is
the problem. If so, you`ll have to format your 3.5 from floppy boot and
then reconnect the 2.5 as master on secondary to copy any files you
want from that.
Hope this helps

> > > > So, I now call all of you to now bombard Gateway with..
> > > 
> > > Or we could just ignore them and do something better instead?
> > > 
> > > Support Phoenix, think of things for OS3.5 SP1, just lay off the
> > > 'bombard Gateway with hate mail' trip.
> > 
> > Actually, that's much of a valid point, I'm personally more
interested
> > in the Pheonix Platform Consortium that Amiga now!

I think the Phoenix Consortium is something to keep an eye on, as are
Amino and the phase5/QNX thingy.

Paul

 
> AFAIK the primary port is just a passthrough, so you shouldnt need the
> IDE software just for a single HD (at least I dont..I only load IDEFIX
> to access the drives on channel 2)
>  I take it the drive isnt formatted yet..what happens if the 3.5" HD
is
> set to Master, and put on the primary channel(with all other devices
> removed) does it show up then from a Floppy boot of WB in HDtoolbox?
>  One other thing springs to mind..from what you said above, it sounds
> like you tried your brothers 2.5" HD and primary master, and your 3.5"
> drive as primary slave, I remember reading in AF that quite a few 2.5"
> HD`s are made to be the only HD on the cable and stop other drives
> being seen, and in some case even stop it from booting!..maybe this is
> the problem. If so, you`ll have to format your 3.5 from floppy boot
and
> then reconnect the 2.5 as master on secondary to copy any files you
> want from that.
> Hope this helps

Thanks, I have now tried connecting the 3.5" drive to the secondary
port using the patch and now the 3.5" drive is found by the software,
however, dispite clearly being unit 2 when I went to partition it the
2.5" drive (unit 0) was partioned instead, and I have just spent the
last 45 minutes recovering my brother's files with QuarterBack Tools.

I'm going to try it again in a minute, but if I can format it
successfuly will I be able to boot from it as as the moment it isn't
recognised at the start up menu?

Thanks Again 

Andy

> > > Actually, that's much of a valid point, I'm personally more
> > > interested in the Pheonix Platform Consortium that Amiga now!
> 
> I think the Phoenix Consortium is something to keep an eye on, as are
> Amino and the phase5/QNX thingy.

Phoenix and the phase5/QNX thingy are joined at the hip.

Amino sucks. Fleecy hasn't got a clue what he's doing. I pity
Bill McEwen for being drawn in by his evil brand of charm..

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hi,

> You misunderstand. I'd love to see what CadTech are doing.
> 
> But can I get a copy of Imagine?

yes
 
> No. Nobody does, unless they enrolled in that ACUP thing.

yes...but since when do you get a commercial raytracer for free? You pay
for it, and you gte the ACUP. this means you get version 5 and all the
updates to 5.16 -> and all the way through to im6.0

alan

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Either way, it's YOUR mailer that has the problem. It should just ignore
> the charset and display as normal, throwing errors up is no way to act!

oh, it displays the text fine - thats hwo i can reply...it just puts
that message at the top of the email - much like those 'this mail is
MIME encoded' emails. 

by the way, i'm using PINE, one of the best email programs around. YAM
on my Amiga is better for GUI etc etc, but PINE follows aLL the rules
;-)

alan

hi,

> I tried i really did,.. i dont think they wanted my money cos i
> couldent find and amiga dealer (in this country) who had old (i5) stock
> or could source any more. Which is a pitty, cos it was great (if you
> had a few, days|weeks|months)
> available to learn it.

www.cadtech.demon.co.uk

alan

Hello M.


> Of course, Multiscan is a chipset mode. But you can't use anything
> like Picasso96 modes.

I did a quick test with Picasso96's experimental fakenativemode PAL mode;
it didn't work - I got just the first screen of Scala 300 and then the
mouse pointer freezed and nothing worked. Maybe later?


Regards
-- 
Zipper

proud owner of A500 powerhouse ala '91
now cooking with A4000/233PPC

Hello Alan L.M. Buxey, on 03-Nov-99 10:45:58 you said about:
  [afb] Re: suicidal Amigans 

>On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Jonathan M. Dudley wrote:

>> electrical current cannot pass through you because it has nowhere to go.
>> Remember: volts don't kill; watts do.

>"its the volts that jolts, and the mill's that kills"

OI! I've never killed nobody!

Besides, I thought it was Amps that killed.

The HT side of a car's ignition system is a good example - it produces
over 20k volts for each spark (depending on age, make and type of
ignition system, this can be over 30k volts), but won't kill you unless
you have a dodgy heart/pacemaker/whatever.

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Hi there,

Seeing as it seems to be one of the unwritten policies of this list, I
thought I may as well tell everyone that after being an AF reader for an
almost consistant 5 years, I've actually gone and subscribed at last!  So
you guys (Ben et al), to protect my investment you'ld better keep up the
good work :)

Toodle pip,

Tom

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*Hello Tim*

*On 05-Nov-99, you mailed me about [afb] Re: unknown file, so here's my reply..*

> Yep.  I knew I read about it somewhere, but couldn't find where.  The
> most important things was knowing if it were benign.

hehe. it ain't benign if the "Optimised..." thing happens whilst you have
Rainboot running. Causes my computer to freeze up :) 

*bYe nOw!*
*GazChap.*
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I'm not a racist -- I don't even own running shoes!

Greetings  M. 

On 05-Nov-99, you wrote:


>> On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

>> All are easy to use. All are the most powerful renderers you'll
>> find on the Amiga ;)

>> err, you didnt mention Imagine.

> You can't buy Imagine anymore, nor can you enter the
> constant-upgrade program now.

Erm, that being the case. . . I wonder what the Imagine 5.17 that I'm
beta testing is, then? :) http://www.cadtech.demon.co.uk

You can buy imagine five for $100 US, and a CUP sub' is the same.

> Unless you know better?

Yes, I do.

:)

Regards

Andy
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War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
-- Albert Einstein

Greetings  M. 

On 05-Nov-99, you wrote:

>> On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
>> 
>
> 
>> anyway, the people at Cadtech are doing a fine job

> But nobody sees it, except loyal Imagine users. That's
> no use for necrothingy ;)

Did you not get issue two of AA, then? Check the news pages.

You'll see Martin McKenzie (Cadtech) in the pheonix list wotsit too

Regards

Andy
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-- Carolyn Scheppner

Greetings  M. 

On 05-Nov-99, you wrote:

>> On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
>> 
>>> But nobody sees it, except loyal Imagine users. That's
>>> no use for necrothingy ;)
>> 
>> ?? the cadtech pages have been mentioned in Amiga mags and in 
>> the 4 main Amiga WWW news pages during the past year

> You misunderstand. I'd love to see what CadTech are doing.

> But can I get a copy of Imagine?

You can buy imagine 5.0.

You will be able to buy v6 when it is finished. Or you could sub to
the CUP and see updates as the happen.

> No. Nobody does, unless they enrolled in that ACUP thing.

It's only 60 quid. . .

Regards

Andy
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Life's a bitch. Well, it just is
--

Has anyone had any experience of Callnet0800 which offers Free Internet 
connection and Free Local Calls (www.callnet0800.com). It looks
interesting
but being new to the net I am a bit wary. Any opinions would be
appreciated.

Martin Burrows

On 05-Nov-99, amimjf@hotmail.com wrote:

> "sealey, m." <mws-@leicester.ac.uk> wrote: 
>> You can't buy Imagine anymore, nor can you enter the
>> constant-upgrade program now.
>> 
>> Unless you know better?
> I tried i really did,.. i dont think they wanted my money cos i
> couldent find and amiga dealer (in this country) who had old (i5)
> stock or could source any more. Which is a pitty, cos it was great
> (if you had a few, days|weeks|months) available to learn it.

You can still buy it direct from Impulse, or if you are if you are in
the UK you can get it from cadtech. http://www.cadtech.demon.co.uk

Regards
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Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain.
-- Lily Tomlin

Hi,

I'm replying to this in THE worst mood I've been in for ages, so I'm
not resposible for anything I might say, right?

> > Firstly, why the hell is it that some programs insist that you need to
> > restart your machine when it's *plainly* obvious you don't! Why is it
> > plainly obvious?

> Some programs alter the registry and register DLLs which really do
> need a restart for them to be fully applied. Some parts of the registry
> can ONLY be altered by rebooting the machine, because they ONLY get
> read and acted upon on STARTUP.

That's as may be, but some programs just don't give you the option to
reboot, they just make you, or just tell you that it's going to happen,
and this should NOT be the case on a server.

> It's plainly obvious they *DO* need to reboot - if you understand how
> Windows does things.

Yeah, well windows has a f**king stupid way of doing things anyway.

> > 1) Today, we (that's me and my dad, the IT Technician I'm 
> > working with :) server room, and logged on. Ran Word to see
> > if it still crashed when opening the 'Open File' dialog box,

> Why are you running Word on the server?

Because we use the machine as workstation, rather than using it remotely
through another machine.

> > and then I had to go around all 4 IT rooms telling everyone to
> > log off for 10 minutes while we rebooted the server.

> Don't you have the ability to send network broadcast messages?

Yes, using WinPopUp, but the kids aren't allowed to run it.

> > I honestly can't see something like this happening on an Amiga.

> I can.

Good for you.

> > 2) Also today, we were going round all 150 machines, 
> > installing software on them all. We went into room after room,
> > turning on the machines, installing and turning them off again.

> You're working in a shithole! Nobody does that anymore. Even
> the college I used to be at had an automatic software-update
> system!

You too are working in a shithole. I know nothing about the place you
work, and nothing about the people who work there, but it must be
a shithole because I say so </Sealey Mode>

> > which someone had got access to control panel, and changed the font
> > settings. Not only can the default settings not be restored 

> *sigh*, were you logged in as the administrator?

why?

> > And why is it that when something goes wrong, generally, the 
> > easy option is to reinstall windows. That's what we're having
> > to do on the computer with font problems, and what a trivial
> > thing to have to reinstall it over!

> The easy option is to fix the problem. I must have about 3
> books here that tell me how to change default settings on
> Windows 95, 98, NT4 and 2000.

So? I don't have to have the same books as you do I? You say the
easy option is to fix the problem. Isn't that what we did? 

> > really do anything), which we'll have to write to the
> > offending hard disk tomorrow. Oh, I forgot. Someone's
> > using that room tomorrow :)

> That's your problem.

If you have nothing to say which is constructive, then shut the
f**k up!


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--

I started with the Image-FX manual from CU. In it it says;
to delete the current brush press the full stop key.

What key is that?
I can't find it, altough I found a lot of other short-keys

thanx
maarten

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On StarDate:- Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:54:44 -0000

The following was added to the ships log:- [afb] Re: OS3.5 not stable



> > Having recently recieved OS3.5 I installed the os on a new partition,
> > first installing 3.1, then 3.5 on top going through the two stages.
> > 
> > upon loading it seemed to have gone well but occasionaly it will just
> > crash a reset itself.  This can not be due to system patches surly as
> > this is a fresh instalation.
> > 
> > My system can be sumed up as follows: A1200, BlizzPPC 040/160, Bvision
> > - CGX4.1, Quantum 4.3g HD, Atapi cd-rom/cdr.
SNIP

I've only one problem and that's my IOBlix board has stopped working
under 3.5. I did try the NSDPatch config file but the whole sytem
refused to boot whilst trying it.

Still unable to make the IOBlix function.

We Live and learn.
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 As the subject header states, I`m selling my Amiga :-( so here`s what`s on=
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A1200 - Ez-Tower
Magnum 040/25 with 16meg RAM
4.3 Gig Hard Drive
32x CD-ROM
A4000 Keyboard
Elbox Flyer
Pace 56k External Modem
3.1 ROM`s
Opus Magellan II
Netconnect 2
Mouse
Joystick

Software includes - Quake, Foundation, Star Fighter, Cinema 4D v4, Aminet s=
ets 3,6,7,8, CU cover cd`s (7), AF cds 34 - 46. And loads of other various =
cd`s and software on disk.

PRICE - =A3700 o.n.o


You may have noticed the lack of a monitor, this is due to me droping my br=
others PC monitor and having to give him my 17" Microvitech monitor :-(

Before I am judged as a guy jumping ship I must say that I`m not. I have no=
 choice about selling my beloved Amiga. In a few months time I will be livi=
ng in America, and as we all know electrical goods from England won`t work =
over there so I gotta sell all my gear. Now why can`t the whole world use a=
 standardised voltage, it`d save a lot of hassle. Never fear though, once I=
`m settled over there I`m gonna be getting myself another Amiga, I just can=
`t live without one and I`m not going to lower my standards and buy a PC.

If your interested in buying my Amiga contact me either by email - david.ba=
ker@ukonline.co.uk or phone (01302) 738306 after 6pm


David

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not. I have no choice about selling my beloved Amiga. In a few months time =
I =

will be living in America, and as we all know electrical goods from England=
 =

won`t work over there so I gotta sell all my gear. Now why can`t the whole =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D2>Everyone has a right to be stupid. Some =
just =

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On 04-Nov-99, John Bragg wrote:

> If this message is interpreted as flaming or a continuance of a "dead"
> thread, then be my guest and stop me from posting for being a "trouble
> maker".

What the bloody hell are you talking about man!!??

Mash - 
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Hi M.
Somewhere around 04-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re:
Crappy idea (big prefs)

> See, Tim has gotten the point. Prefs like MUI are huge, *WAY* too big

Too big? after bootup : 

chip: 1,500,000       fast:28,200,000

After loading MUI prefs:

chip: 1,410,000       fast:28,080,000

Now how is 210K of RAM too much? Loading the screenmode prefs takes up just
over 110K

Mash - 
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A man's silence is wonderful to listen to.

On 03-Nov-99, Alkis Tsapanidis wrote:

>> Or do you mean you want to boot from df1: rather than df0: ?

> Yes when I try that most games just crash

Why? does df0: not work? if thats the case, just swap the drives :)

Mash - 
-- 
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If you could be any key you want, which one would it be?

On 04-Nov-99, Stephen Marriott wrote:

>> so why not just release the number!!? It's the same number

> Because it was an offer to CU-Amiga readers.

(running the risk of getting a hefty slap from Ben.....)

But you would need the magazine for the cover disk/disc !!! anyone who is
going to pirate it will have done so by now anyway, so releasing it really
isn't going to harm any sales.

Mash - Ermm....no Matt Sealey, this definately isn't Mash ;)
<sb>
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

On 03-Nov-99, Gareth Griffiths wrote:

>> Nothing wrong with crowds of people.....it's those damn 3-headed monkies
>> you have to look out for ;)

> You mean like the one thats standing behind you at the moment? :)

Yeah right, and I suppose he has a giant tofu mask on aswell yeah?

Mash - vooodooo!
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I love cats too..... wanna trade recipes?

On 03-Nov-99, Chris Andrews wrote:

>  Did you get out of the wrong side of bed or something?  In fact, I think
> that everyone seems to have been on the grumpy pills today!

I'm not grumpy
at all, It's just
that I can do
without emails
looking like
they've been
smashed up
against a wall!

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On 04-Nov-99, Ben Vost wrote:

> Or, if you don't fancy messing with your user-startup, just copy WBC into
> your WBStartup drawer...

Hey!, I just noticed the cover CD isn't red again :D Maybe we'll get a blue
one next month?

Mash - 
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At least Congress doesn't make death worse every year.

Hi M.
Somewhere around 04-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re: OS3.5
Service Pack 1 - Wish List

> Apart from the fact that VMM is buggy, unstable, and fails to work
> even on the most clean and happy Amigas, you mean?

And now for the translation......

"/My system is so screwed up that VMM wouldn't work, I wish I could be
bothered to clean it up a bit.../:("

:) Which in other words means it works fine here.

Mash - with 280 megs of "RAM" left
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Pulpitt: A paperback book rack.

On 04-Nov-99, wookie@globalnet.co.uk wrote:

>  Also, on the G4 front, I have an A4000, so by the time you add the
> cost of 64MB notebook DIMMS that I heard it takes, and all the scsi
> stuff I need to take over from my Cyberscsi, the price is
> astronomical..

Thats my biggest gripe too :( when made them choose expensive notebook
dimms? :P Cost of the board, delivery, new RAM, SCSI addon, new gfx
card....it'll end up costing 1000's :(

Now if they had a trade in scheme

Mash - 
-- 
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Could you kill a vampire with a sunlamp?

Hi Paul,  >  > You can set the menu and presentation screenmode in the
prefs. I've got > Scala happily running in DblPAL. >  > Paul  I have a
scan doubler and get a decent picture but when you are used to running
on a 24bit screen it is  difficult to return to AGA.  See Ya  Alex
Paton 

Hi burrows,

On 05-Nov-99 18:39:44 GMT, burrows wrote:

> Has anyone had any experience of Callnet0800 which offers Free Internet 
> connection and Free Local Calls (www.callnet0800.com). It looks
> interesting
> but being new to the net I am a bit wary. Any opinions would be
> appreciated.

I would be wary too, if it wasn't for the fact that one of their
partners is F1 Racing magazine (which I subscribe too :)  This alone
adds weight to how much Callnet0800 can be trusted.  See
http://www.f1racing.co.uk/ if you're interested.  Still, I'm giving
them a miss for the moment, as I'm sure they'll have problems to
start with - besides, their freephone registration line is overloaded
in a major way ;)

Additionally, I see that Oftel have told BT to reduce the cost of
net access phone calls!  There's a story about it on
http://www.theregister.co.uk/991105-000018.html - BT may be forced to
offer unmetered calls for internet access.

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<tsb>

Danny Shepherd wrote:

> Just a little thing that's been bugging me for a while, what does OEM
> actually stand for and why do companies do it? For instance, a motherboar=
d
> would have cost me =A3120 retail box but I got it for =A360 OEM. All that was
> missing was the pretty box.

OEM stands for Original Equipment Manufacturer, which refers to the person
or company to which it's being supplied. OEM products are designed to be
sold to companies which are building their own 'boxes' and pre-installing
their choice of software. It's not designed to be sold to end-users, so it
comes without all the pretty packaging and, quite often, printed manuals.

Regards,
Jonny.

--
Am I getting smart with you? How would you know?

Hi folks, I did post this Wednesday, but it doesnt seem to have got
through for some reason so I shall ask again :)

I am having a problem with IRC.  When I log onto certain channels it
comes up with, "hi, I use Root as my Username - maybe you should
change yours." message.  I have also been automatically banned from
Matts #moobunny site for supposedly trying to log in using Root
instead of another name.

However, I have Genesis set up with two users - Root (because it will
not let me change its name to something else) and Bifford (my
nickname).  I *always* use Bifford, so why do the IRC channels think I
am still using Root?  I cannot see anything else in Genesis' prefs to
change and it wont let me change the first user from being Root.

Can anybody help please?

Oh, and Matt, if i get this sorted will your channel then let me in or
do you have to unbloack me?

Bifford the Youngest.
ICQ: 52983236

Hi Ben,
 
> > Has anyone succesfully promoted Scala with ModePro or even better is
> > there an EX which 
> > will run on a Cybergraphx screen.
> 
> No there isn't (TTBOMK). It's a PAL/NTSC-only program.
> 
There is an IV24 EX that will run Scala on a graphic card from GVP.
(Impact Vision 24) I can run
Scala in ModePro but it will not show the frames. I can see all
controls, the 
shuffler screen with pictures of the frame but I only get a black screem
when I attempt to load or edit the page. I have searched Aminet for an
EX but no 
success.

See Ya

Alex Paton

Hello Sealey, M.,
 your comments on [afb] Re: OS3.5 Service Pack 1 - Wish List have got me thinking

>That's rather mean, and rather bad programming practice.

>A big f*ck-off screen with "YOU NEED OS3.5, IDIOT!" on would
>be better ;)

Hmm, arn't we geting dangerously close to the "you need Windoes 95 or better"
mentality here. If a program genuinely requires resources only available in 3.5
then it won't run on earlier versions anyway. If it doesn't then why restrict
it's usage to people who have upgraded. The Amiga software market is small
enough as it is.


___________________________________________________
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For information on Cystic Fibrosis
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/philllip.ellis/contents.htm
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On 5 Nov 1999, Phil Ellis wrote:
> Hmm, arn't we geting dangerously close to the "you need Windoes 95 or
> better"  mentality here. If a program genuinely requires resources only
> available in 3.5 then it won't run on earlier versions anyway. If it
> doesn't then why restrict it's usage to people who have upgraded. The
> Amiga software market is small enough as it is. 

  We're talking about the OEM version for os3.5 and stopping people that
don't have 3.5 using it.  Which is more than fair.


bye,
  Chris

*Hello Matthew*

*On 04-Nov-99, you mailed me about [afb] Re: JavaScript again :) + 3 headed monkies, so here's my reply..*

>> You mean like the one thats standing behind you at the moment? :)
> 
> Yeah right, and I suppose he has a giant tofu mask on aswell yeah?

hehe yeah. and WHERE IS MY BANANA PICKER? :)

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Nice landing!  But next time, put the wheels down first.

 
>   Perhaps we coud give you more sensible advice if you first described your
> configuration and said how much you'd sell it. :)

No Need as there was a fault at the duplicators.  This is why V and
webvision do not work.  It is just a matter of a quick download from
vapor and Aminet as the prereleases work fully with the netconnect3
key as does Webvision.
  As for Chris not sending out c.d's... I doubt very much he is
allowed to knowingly send out faulty c.d's.  The duplicators are
dragging their heels hoping they won't have to cover the cost of
damage,  pretending it wasn't their fault, Chris can only wait.  
  The package itself is very good and well worth buying.  Now I have
prerelease 5 of voyager the whole thing is more stable.
Peace
Zanthras
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Hi all,
 
> You misunderstand. I'd love to see what CadTech are doing.
> 
> But can I get a copy of Imagine?
> 
> No. Nobody does, unless they enrolled in that ACUP thing.

I have just purchased Imagine 5.16 and the upgrades through to V6 for
125.00UKP.
It has PowerPC support and is being updated by Martin McKenzie.

visit http://www.cadtech.demon.co.uk

All the information you require is there. When you pay your money the
software 
is available for download over the Interent. V6 will be delivered on CD
Rom.


See Ya

Alex Paton

Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:
> tell everyone about the protagonists small penis and how his girlfriend
> dumped him for a lesbian....its only natural! ;-)
Suddenly this list seems like an episode of Friends...
--
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Hello Andy

On 05-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Besides, I thought it was Amps that killed.
> 
> The HT side of a car's ignition system is a good example - it produces
> over 20k volts for each spark (depending on age, make and type of
> ignition system, this can be over 30k volts), but won't kill you unless
> you have a dodgy heart/pacemaker/whatever.

  Mmm, it's nice to read from people who went through such experience!
I'm sure someone more technical down there will give a proper answer, but
I'd like to mention that when you want to check ignition, you don't
ususally hold the metallic part of the wire *and* the end of the plug at
the same time, so it sort of weakens the effect of them volts, watts or
amps...
 .
  It's even best to seize the wire using a dry cloth, and if you're careful
not to touch the body of the car, you feel almost nothing, except of course
fear from previous shocks  <:-z

  Patrice - remembers changing a water hose in Soho Square, way back in...

Hello sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com

On 05-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Hi folks, I did post this Wednesday, but it doesnt seem to have got
> through for some reason so I shall ask again :)

  I'd already asked why this sometimes happened, but now I know the Truth.
Whenever the 200 daily limit has been reached, Yam pretends to send your
mail to Afb but it never gets there at all! So if you can't find your own
message back in the 'incoming' file, all you have to do is move it from
'sent' to 'outgoing' and wait until the next day. Don't know exactly what
time...

  Patrice

Hi

Please, someone put me out of my missery! Is there a famous watch company
called Amiga? I was listening to the radio, and the advert went something
along the lines of:

Lady 1:"My son has all the latest fashion accessories, but where can I find
an Amiga watch?"
Lady 2:"Amiga? they're brilliant, try John Morely's"

Then the conversation continues about amiga watches....

Mash
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You call this happiness? --Rimmer.

On 05-Nov-99, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:


> hi,

>> It would be great if we can select an icon on the Workbench and hit
>> the delete key to delete it instead of always having to go to the
>> Workbench menue.

> I've always wondered why the delete key didnt do that.......

Maybe just to make it that bit harder to inadvertently delete a file.
. . With it not being moved to trash or somewhat, it's a bit of a twat
going through the disk with disksalve for that file you accidently
sentanced to death. Probably :)



> alan


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us as equals.
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On 05-Nov-99, chris wrote:

> Hello Ben

> On 05-Nov-99, you wrote:

>> It's already been said several times on here, but the first batch
>> of NC3 CDs had a problem in the Voyager and WebVision files but the
>> versions from Aminet or Vapor's site work perfectly well...

> And Active haven't made any decision as yet, whether or not they'll
> replace the faulty CD's.

I would have though they are obligated to replace faulty media?

> That's put me off pre-ordering from them again. :( I'll wait for the
> reviews in the Amiga press.

> Regards
Regards
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/PGP Key available on request/

Always remember that you are unique.  Just like everyone else.

Greetings  Tom 

On 05-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Hi there,

> Seeing as it seems to be one of the unwritten policies of this list,
> I thought I may as well tell everyone that after being an AF reader
> for an almost consistant 5 years, I've actually gone and subscribed
> at last! So you guys (Ben et al), to protect my investment you'ld
> better keep up the good work :)

<AOL>
me to :)
</AOL>



> Toodle pip,

> Tom

Regards

Andy
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the first one was useless.
-- Chamfort

Hello Alan

> so, hows the 060 going then? :-)

yes working great except i think battery going (not keeping time brill' have
to change every so often, only 10-20mins out)

                 Cheers all the best

                       Ken 




  

Hello Matthew

On 05-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Please, someone put me out of my missery! Is there a famous watch company
> called Amiga? I was listening to the radio, and the advert went something
> along the lines of:
> 
> Lady 1:"My son has all the latest fashion accessories, but where can I
> find an Amiga watch?"
> Lady 2:"Amiga? they're brilliant, try John Morely's"
> 
It's actually Omega....a brand of rather expensive time-piece's.  

I know as I have a matching pair of His and Her's Omega De Ville with
Crocodile and Lizard Leather straps. ;-)  Which is nice for me but not so
nice for the unfortunate Croc and Lizard. ;-)
Regards

chris
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Hello David

On 05-Nov-99, you wrote:
[snip]
>  Before I am judged as a guy jumping ship I must say that I`m not. I have
> no choice about selling my beloved Amiga. In a few months time I will be
> living in America, and as we all know electrical goods from England won`t
> work over there so I gotta sell all my gear. 

UK electrical goods will work over in States as long as you purchase some
sort of voltage adapter.  Also  US goods will work over here.....I have an
American N64, Dreamcast, SNES etc, etc....with the necessary voltage
adapter.

Regards

chris
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Hello Andy

On 05-Nov-99, you wrote:


>> And Active haven't made any decision as yet, whether or not they'll
>> replace the faulty CD's.
> 
> I would have though they are obligated to replace faulty media?
> 
I think they will......as soon as the duplicators admit they were to blame.

Regards

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Hello,

I think the subject says it all......  :-((((

regards

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Yeah but how much does it cost and how much hassle will it be to install
such a device


David

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Hello David

On 05-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Yeah but how much does it cost and how much hassle will it be to instal=
l
> such a device
> =

1)  If you mean a voltage adapter, (it would help if you quoted a little)=
,
not sure of a UK--->USA but my USA--->UK was =A325.

2)  Err....you insert your plug into the voltage adapter, then plug that
into the wall socket.  Easy :-)


Regards

chris
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Hi,

I've been using Yahoo! mail via YAM for ages now, but just recently I cant
send mail. Is it just me or is anyone else having trouble? (I can still use
it via Voyager, but, ahem... ;)

Kind Regards,
Peter Gordon

> And I think you've had a bit too much beer; Devon is on the other side
> of the country! I have used Soul Hunter, but the nearest contact given
> is London!

Urrmm... no, devon is DEFINATELY in the south west of england....



===================================
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
===================================

Real meanings #16:
LISP: Little Inflatable Sex Puppy

> On 03-Nov-99, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

>> "its the volts that jolts, and the mill's that kills"

> I never did getthe whole volt, watts, amps deal though :/....

Simple. Volts is the amount of "push" or "pressure" on the electrons goin=
g through a circuit, amps is the number of electrons passing through a po=
int on the circuit over a given time, and watts is the amount of energy u=
sed to push those electrons.

Amps (I) =3D Volts (V) / Resitance (R)

So the more you "push" the electrons, the greater the current (amps). The=
 more resistance in the circuit to impede the flow, the less the current.=


Watts (W) =3D Volts (V) * Current (I)

So the amount of energy used is determined by how hard the electrons are =
being pushed, and how fast they are moving.



=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
so long and thanks for all the fish
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Real meanings #15:
LOGO: Large Organ Grinding Orifice

On 05-Nov-99, David Baker wrote:

> Hi guys,

> Before I am judged as a guy jumping ship I must say that I`m not. I
> have no choice about selling my beloved Amiga. In a few months time
> I will be living in America, and as we all know electrical goods
> from England won`t work over there so I gotta sell all my gear. Now
> why can`t the whole world use a standardised voltage, it`d save a
> lot of hassle. Never fear though, once I`m settled over there I`m
> gonna be getting myself another Amiga, I just can`t live without one
> and I`m not going to lower my standards and buy a PC.

The PSU in your tower should have a switch to take it from 240v to
110v, which I think is what they use over in the US?

> If your interested in buying my Amiga contact me either by email -
> david.baker@ukonline.co.uk or phone (01302) 738306 after 6pm


> David

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*Hello sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com*

*On 05-Nov-99, you mailed me about [afb] Using Root to login., so here's my reply..*

> Can anybody help please?

Assuming you are using AmIRC, there should be a string gadget on the main
window when you first load it (where you select your server) called
Username. If this is ghosted then deselect the Use IdentD checkbox. This
string gadget is where the IRC server gets your username from (its probably
set to 'root') so you will need to change it here.

I suffered exactly the same problem on EFNet and it took me f'ing ages to
figure out how to unghost the gadget :)

You may have to opt to not load IdentD in GENESiSPrefs (I don't think there
is a seperate option, i think you just deslect Load InetD or something)

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Hello chris

On 05-Nov-99, you wrote:

>> Please, someone put me out of my missery! Is there a famous watch company
>> called Amiga? 

> It's actually Omega....a brand of rather expensive time-piece's.  

  I wanted to answer first, but I've just had strange troubles with Yam
again - or maybe it was my ISP : about 20 messages held for one hour!

  Anyway, I'm pretty sure Mash was trying to trap someone. That one was
already in 'Sabrina online' three years ago :)

  Patrice

Hello Philip

On 06-Nov-99, you wrote:

>>  Perhaps we coud give you more sensible advice if you first described
>> your configuration and said how much you'd sell it. :)
> 
> No Need as there was a fault at the duplicators.

  Thanks for answering the beginning so kindly. I've never trusted these
fast reading methods anyway :)

  Patrice

Hello Peter

On 06-Nov-99, you wrote:
 
> I've been using Yahoo! mail via YAM for ages now, but just recently I cant
> send mail. Is it just me or is anyone else having trouble? (I can still
> use it via Voyager, but, ahem... ;)

  Maybe it's only a coincidence, but I've just had problems with
club-internet.fr too. First I couldn't send anything; and I didn't get a
single message for one hour.
I emailed myself twice, with no result, so I watched the Afb messages from
IBrowse, found mine, and several others that hadn't reached my mailbox.

  When I came back to Yam, I sent myself another mail and received it at
once. After a while, the messages I had seen on the web arrived in total
chronological disorder. The very first one /I/ had sent came last!

  Must be sailors' knots in the web, I think.

  Patrice

HANG ON! LAST MINUTE! I've just received two messages I sent three hours
ago, and a couple of others I think I've already read!!!

David wrote:

> Hi guys,
>  As the subject header states, I`m selling my Amiga :-( so here`s what`s on offer
> 
> A1200 - Ez-Tower

>  and as we all know electrical goods from
> England won`t work over there so I gotta sell all my gear. Now why

Isn't the Ez-Tower just a PC case with a different back panel?
If so can't you just toggle the 120/230 volt switch on the back of the
PSU depending on what country you're in?  If it doesn't have a switch
just by a new psu that does have one and fit it in your tower.  Should
cost under 20UKP.  Then all you need is a mains lead.  

I'm assuming the PSU can handle 60Hz as well as the lower voltage but
if not just buy a PSU when you get to the states instead.  Probably be
cheaper too.

Matt

> Please, someone put me out of my missery! Is there a famous watch
company
> called Amiga? I was listening to the radio, and the advert went
something
> along the lines of:
> 
> Lady 1:"My son has all the latest fashion accessories, but where can
I find
> an Amiga watch?"
> Lady 2:"Amiga? they're brilliant, try John Morely's"
> 
> Then the conversation continues about amiga watches....
Erm, I think you`ll find they were talking about Omega watches!

On 04-Nov-99 18:26:05, Chris Andrews said about [afb] Re: suicidal Amigans:
> On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:
>> >   It's easy if you know my mate's Gran:  Ivy Watts   ;)
>> 
>> or Charley Watts, the famous muso ;-)

>   Erm, unless I've missed the subtlety of your joke.  I was refering to
> the equation:  IV = Watts ;) 


  Erm, IV = voltamps not Watts  :)

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there has been alot of talk about cinema4d lately and many ppl have
asked for the serail number. well the number for c4d is
6110502929-397A7 and the no for magiclink is 911938879510
i hope that help's ppl

pete

Hello bobobob2@mail.com

On 06-Nov-99, you wrote:

> there has been alot of talk about cinema4d lately and many ppl have
> asked for the serail number. well the number for c4d is
> 6110502929-397A7 and the no for magiclink is 911938879510
> i hope that help's ppl

Be prepared to..........DUCK!!!

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> Hi,
> 
> I've been using Yahoo! mail via YAM for ages now, but just recently I
cant
> send mail. Is it just me or is anyone else having trouble? (I can
still use
> it via Voyager, but, ahem... ;)
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Peter Gordon

You are not the only one Peter. It is starting to p**s me off when I
want to send mail, but the bl**dy thing tells me I'm not POP
authenticated, when I clearly am!

Paul

Hi

I've uploaded the DOJ findings document to my web site in Text format (It
seems to be circulating only in Word or WordPerfect format).

You can download it from http://www.amigainsight.com

Chris Green
Technical Editor - Computing
VNU Business Publications, 32-34 Broadwick Street, London, W1A 2HG
..................................................................
Fax: +44 (0)207 316 9160      Email: chris_green@vnu.co.uk
ICQ: 10921400                 URL:   http://computing.vnunet.com
..................................................................

On Fri, Nov 05, 1999 at 09:18:23PM -0500, Ian Urie wrote:
>   Erm, IV = voltamps not Watts  :)

I=C/S
V=J/C
VI=(C/S)(J/C)=J/S=Watts

-- 
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At 01:48 06/11/99 -0000, you wrote:

>I've uploaded the DOJ findings document to my web site in Text format (It
>seems to be circulating only in Word or WordPerfect format).

Isn't that a surprise :/

>Chris Green
>Technical Editor - Computing
>VNU Business Publications, 32-34 Broadwick Street, London, W1A 2HG

I was reading Computing today :) And one of my course tutors swears by it
:) Just thought I'd tell you :)


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Hi M.,

On 05-Nov-99, you wrote:

>>> but OpenLibrary("workbench.library",44); will restrict
>>> apps to version 44 and above - OS3.5 - but as I say, that
>>> is easily hackable (there are only so many occurances of
>>> the number 44 in Miami, and one of them will be close to
>>> the string 'workbench.library' - change it to 39 and it'll
>>> work on ANY system.
>> =

>> So what happens if Miami tries to call an LVO that only exists in
>> version 44 of workbench.library?
>> =

>> Yep, Bang! ;)
> =

> That's rather mean, and rather bad programming practice.

There's nothing mean about it, nor is it a bad programming practice. The
whole reason you must specify a version when calling OpenLibrary() is
to ensure that the application doesn't crash when it encounters an
older version of that library.

Hacking and fooling Miami into thinking it *HAS* got the correct library =
when in fact it has not, *IS* rather mean and like all hacks, has the pot=
ential to crash the system.

;)

Regards, Andrew Bell.
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> Hello,
> 
> I think the subject says it all......  :-((((
Why have they decided to drop that?  I was just gathering some cash
together to rejoin after christmas 80(  I was looking forwasrds to it
too.
  Oh well I guess I will have to look elsewhere
Peace
Zanthras
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http://www.amiga.com

> Hello Philip
> 
> On 06-Nov-99, you wrote:
>> > 
> > No Need as there was a fault at the duplicators.
> 
>   Thanks for answering the beginning so kindly. I've never trusted these
> fast reading methods anyway :)

No Problems 80)
  I can honestly tell you that NC3 is well worth it once the problems
are ironed out.  Plus don't forget it is all work in progress so
updates will be regular and constantly improving the setup.
 I would definately reccommend joining the netconnect mail list also
as that is were you are most likely to get the best responce to
inquiries 80) 
Peace
Zanthras
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http://www.amiga.com

> Hi,
>
> I'm replying to this in THE worst mood I've been in for ages, so I'm
> not resposible for anything I might say, right?
>
> > > Firstly, why the hell is it that some programs insist that you need to
> > > restart your machine when it's *plainly* obvious you don't! Why is it
> > > plainly obvious?
>
> > Some programs alter the registry and register DLLs which really do
> > need a restart for them to be fully applied. Some parts of the registry
> > can ONLY be altered by rebooting the machine, because they ONLY get
> > read and acted upon on STARTUP.
>
> That's as may be, but some programs just don't give you the option to
> reboot, they just make you, or just tell you that it's going to happen,
> and this should NOT be the case on a server.


SNIP

>
> You too are working in a shithole. I know nothing about the place you
> work, and nothing about the people who work there, but it must be
> a shithole because I say so </Sealey Mode>
>

Byegones, people. Byegones.

Hi maartend@dds.nl,

On 05-Nov-99 you wrote:

> I started with the Image-FX manual from CU. In it it says;
> to delete the current brush press the full stop key.
                                                     ^
That one? ;)

> What key is that?

Or maybe it's the any key...

Martin, oh dear.
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Date posted:      6 Nov 99 09:10:22 +0000
Sender's name:  Philip Meason
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Greetings Philip Meason



> > Hello,
> > 
> > I think the subject says it all......  :-((((
> Why have they decided to drop that?  I was just gathering some cash
> together to rejoin after christmas 80(  I was looking forwasrds to it
> too.
>   Oh well I guess I will have to look elsewhere
> Peace
> Zanthras
>

It happened after I'd sent the cheque, but it shows Neil's an honest
bloke, he didn't cash it till he waited to see whether I still wanted
it or not. Mind you, I'd have sent the boys round otherwise... : )

-- 
Regards,
Bruce
Marske-by-the-Sea, Redcar, Cleveland, UK, sent to you with the:
=================================================================
Amiga 1200, Apollo 8030, MMU, FPU, 8mb fast ram, Power
scandoubler/flickerfixer, ADI 15" SVGA monitor, Pace 56kflex (v90)
modem, Hitachi 16xCDRom, Ext floppy drive, Canon BJC620 printer,
Ioblix 1200p, Mustek CP600 scanner. (nearly had a prograb but couldn't
get one without interference lines :(
=================================================================

Hello All,

Well my stuff finally arrived on Tuesday (2.11.) after they had tried
to deliver on Monday, the only day the house was empty for an hour!

When he dropped it off the City Link nam told the wife that they had
only been given the package on Monday, While Power tell me that it was
despached on the Thursday before. Draw your own conclusions.

Now the real problems start. The trackball and Punchinello are
execellent, true Amiga plug'n'play. The problem is with the new 3.1
ROM's. The 3.5 handbook tells me that the ROM's should be installed as
per the instructions that were in the box with the ROM's. My ROM's
were packed seperatly and there is no instructions as to which goes
where.

The ROM's are numbered thus, 391773-01              391774-01
                             
                             28663A                 29147A



Between thes are the version numbers. Can anyone tell me which sockets
they go in assuming that I am looking at the mb with the connectors
facing away from me and pcmcia slot on my left.

Sorry that this has been such a long mail and Thanks in advance for
any help offered.

Bye for now, P.C.

> Well my stuff finally arrived on Tuesday (2.11.) after they had tried
> to deliver on Monday, the only day the house was empty for an hour!
> When he dropped it off the City Link nam told the wife that they had
> only been given the package on Monday, While Power tell me that it was
> despached on the Thursday before. Draw your own conclusions.

I've had this three times with Power myself. The best one being my Power
Tower, that didn't actually leave Power until 3 weeks after I'd bought it
and paid for next-day delivery. Power insisted that Citylink kept screwing
up the delivery (going to wrong houses etc).

My Kylwalda took 4 days on next-day delivery and my Power Flyer took 3 days
:(

Chris Green
Technical Editor - Computing
VNU Business Publications, 32-34 Broadwick Street, London, W1A 2HG
..................................................................
Fax: +44 (0)207 316 9160      Email: chris_green@vnu.co.uk
ICQ: 10921400                 URL:   http://computing.vnunet.com
..................................................................

The name's O'Neill, Matthew O'Neill, licence to email.

> Please, someone put me out of my missery! Is there a famous watch company
> called Amiga? I was listening to the radio, and the advert went something
> along the lines of:

> [snip]

Yep, I've heard that on my local station.
I thought they were just saying "Omega" in an irritating way, but it
certainly sounds like Amiga.

> Mash

Paul C, off to see if John Morely's have got a website...
-- 
... Windows: The Gates of hell

On 06-Nov-99 11:45:13 GMT, Paul Crellin wrote:

> Now the real problems start. The trackball and Punchinello are
> execellent, true Amiga plug'n'play. The problem is with the new 3.1
> ROM's. The 3.5 handbook tells me that the ROM's should be installed as
> per the instructions that were in the box with the ROM's. My ROM's
> were packed seperatly and there is no instructions as to which goes
> where.

Uh oh - there should have been an 8 page booklet detailing the ROM
installation for variou systems.  Well, I got one of those, at least
(yes, from Power).

> The ROM's are numbered thus, 391773-01              391774-01
>                              
>                              28663A                 29147A
>
> Between thes are the version numbers. Can anyone tell me which sockets
> they go in assuming that I am looking at the mb with the connectors
> facing away from me and pcmcia slot on my left.

Unfortunately, the instructions for an A1200 don't make this clear! :(
I would assume 391773-01 goes in the lower socket (U6A) and the other
goes in U6B.  I'll mail you a scan of instruction page...

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 /oliver.roberts@iname.com/  |  /oliver@amigaf1.freeserve.co.uk/
 http://www.nanunanu.org/~oliver/  -  ICQ: 34640231
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<tsb>

Hello, all!

  I'm quite worried at the moment because I can't get the mail from Afb
into my mailbox; I've just phoned my ISP, knowing that some of you also
have problems with Yahoo, but they didn't give me a clue.

  Anyway, I've read another message ( using my browser :( ) about that
Amiga-Omega confusion.

  If I remember correctly, 'Amiga' sounds pretty much like 'Ameega', with a
stress on the second syllable ( at least that's what I heard ten years ago,
listening to that horrible American voice on the A1000 "Thins inz Ameeenga
speanking'" ) whereas Omega is supposed to be stressed on the first
syllable, which I think is a diphtong.

  So I wonder if the confusion is really possible; to me it seems as
unlikely as confusing 'petrol' and 'patrol'. Please tell me if I'm wrong.

  Patrice 

   

Kind regards

Hello Chris

On 06-Nov-99, you wrote:

> I've had this three times with Power myself. The best one being my
> Power Tower, that didn't actually leave Power until 3 weeks after
> I'd bought it and paid for next-day delivery. Power insisted that
> Citylink kept screwing up the delivery (going to wrong houses etc).
> 
> My Kylwalda took 4 days on next-day delivery and my Power Flyer took
> 3 days :(

Well, I'm glad it's not just me that has trouble. :\

Someone somewhere down the line must be using a little creative dating.
The girl at Power said that the 'goods had been sent' when I phoned on
Monday. She didn't actually say what day. But then the Citylink man
said that they had only got the package to deliver on Monday, yet they
had tried to deliver it to me on Monday but no one was in. This must
have been about an hour after I phoned Power. This sugests that if
Power had only despached the package on Monday as citylink claim then
citylink are capable of one hour delivery. So after all this why did
it still take 4 days?

Must lie down now my brain hurts.

P.C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Mills <Andy@wharne.u-net.com>
To: afb@egroups.com <afb@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, November 05, 1999 6:03 PM
Subject: [afb] Re: suicidal Amigans


>OI! I've never killed nobody!


:-)

>The HT side of a car's ignition system is a good example - it produces
>over 20k volts for each spark (depending on age, make and type of
>ignition system, this can be over 30k volts), but won't kill you unless
>you have a dodgy heart/pacemaker/whatever.


Yeah, you just get a nice shock :-)

Tom U

Hello Oliver

On 06-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Of course, presuming CityLink collected your parcel from Power on
> Thursday evening, you should have received it on Friday. CityLink
> may well have stuffed up if this is the case. Or you may have
> ordered too late in the day to make it in time for the CityLink
> collection at Power. You could phone Power and tell them about the
> situation. If CityLink have failed to deliver next-day, then
> CityLink should offer some kind of refund, which Power should pass
> on to you.

I placed the order at 9:15 on the Thursday morning so it should have
made the collection time ok.

Your right about phoning Power but being a typically bone idle male I
probably wont. :-)

Hi Ben

> > 1) the latest clients can do any firewall ;-)
> Not on the Amiga they can't.
> > 2) you can use email to send and receive blocks
> I've tried but not successfully... any pointers will be gratefully
received.

Ever heard of a floppy disk?  ;-)

I think I remember you advocating getting rid of the things on an earlier
thread...I`m sure you`ll correct me if I`m wrong :-)

Jon

(with a 1 in a zillion - trillion chance of finding the key, apparently!)

Hi all,


> Hello bobobob2@mail.com
> 
> On 06-Nov-99, you wrote:
> 
> > there has been alot of talk about cinema4d lately and many ppl have
> > asked for the serail number. well the number for c4d is
> > 6110502929-397A7 and the no for magiclink is 911938879510
> > i hope that help's ppl
> 
> Be prepared to..........DUCK!!!
> 
> Regards
> 
> chris
> -- 

Sh**e and fan springs to mind!!!

See Ya 

Alex Paton 

Hello Oliver

On 06-Nov-99, you wrote:

> 
> Unfortunately, the instructions for an A1200 don't make this clear!
> :( I would assume 391773-01 goes in the lower socket (U6A) and the
> other goes in U6B. I'll mail you a scan of instruction page...

I had a look at the scan of the instructions but the text was too
small to read, maybe because I have to use a scart T.V. as a
moniter. :-(

Anyway, I took your learned advice on the chip positions, and while I
had to bend the pins a bit they fitted easly and are now in and i'm
using then to do this mail.

Tonight I'll try the 3.5 installation.

p.s. Don't the 3.1 ROM's glow and humm a lot. :-)

P.C.

Hi all

> > > there has been alot of talk about cinema4d lately and many ppl have
> > > asked for the serail number. well the number for c4d is
> > > 6110502929-397A7 and the no for magiclink is 911938879510
> > > i hope that help's ppl
> >
> > Be prepared to..........DUCK!!!
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > chris
> > --
> Sh**e and fan springs to mind!!!
>
> See Ya
>
> Alex Paton

So, now I have the serial no.s, how`s about someone e-mailing me the proggy?
;-)

Jon

"chris green" <edito-@amigainsight.com> wrote: 
> I've uploaded the DOJ findings document to my web site in Text format
(It
> seems to be circulating only in Word or WordPerfect format).
They got done, they got done.!!!, ha ha. The Gates`ter is in trouble
now,.. and to selebrate the fact, i think i am going to try and port my
html decoder to VB...

cheers,. (and rejoice !!)

"jonathan day" <jonda-@totalise.co.uk> wrote: 

> > > > there has been alot of talk about cinema4d lately and many ppl
have
> > > > asked for the serail number. well the number for c4d is
> > > > 6110502929-397A7 and the no for magiclink is 911938879510
> > > > i hope that help's ppl
> > >
> > Sh**e and fan springs to mind!!!

> So, now I have the serial no.s, how`s about someone e-mailing me the
proggy?
> ;-)

Lets all join in,... kicking maxon (and legal reasons appart why not),
anyone want me to uppload Maxon C++ ??

I am good at ducking...

The question came up to my mind while listening to ATB latest music, it's
kinda music that we used hear on those old, neat, Demos...

I mean Robert Miles for example could be an an x-amigan tracker :) sounds
silly I know...

Wajdy.

Hello James,

On 03-Nov-99, you wrote:


>> Download "THE" from Aminet (not the version on the OS3.5 CD, it's old
>> and clumsy). And the most striking thing: it is completely written in
>> ARexx! The prefs editor and the wbstartup "program" (a script, I
>> know!)
> 
> Whereabouts on Aminet? I tried a search for "the" but it wasn't 
> very helpful : )

Sorry, Aminet Germany seems to be down again, so I could not check. But
thanks to V3's filecomment I found out now! The archive is called
THE.lha in util/wb. The example configuration uses the example arexx
scripts from the os3.5 cd. Just copy them to REXX:os3.5/ and you can try
it out.

Regards
-- 
Oliver Esberger - mailto:oliver@websale.de

Hello oruk-amigan, on 02-Nov-99 12:35:19 you said about:
  [afb] Re: Devon Amigans (was: suicidal Amigans) 

[snip]

>> Yeah, me :-) I live in Exeter, and I think there's 2 others on this
>list.
>> 
>> Cheers, Tom U
>> 

>Yippeee!   I live in Braunton near Barnstaple (up the A377 or M5/A361)
>from you!  Maybe, but no promises I will get around ro trying to get a
>user-group together sometime.  By the way, I'm Nick!

Well, if you're interested, SWAG are having a meeting in Bideford next
Saturday the 13th Nov. (in a brewery as well :#)

-- 
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 South West Amiga Group - http://www.swag.org.uk
 afb-ot's official webshite - http://www.afb-ot.the-works.org.uk
--
What do you mean, "I'll be back"?

Hi peeps,

For one reason or another, I missed most of "Devon amigans ..." thread,
so I'll just say now that the South West Amiga Group will be holding a
meeting in Bideford, North Devon, next Saturday (the 13th).

This meeting is going to be held in one of SWAG's member's brewery,
which will obviously suit some of you p*ss-heads out there... ;#)

The only problem is that there is not that much space available, and
I'll need to talk to the owner to see how many he can accomodate, but if
you are interested, please feel free to get in contact with me
(preferably ASAP) for more details.

If there is enough interest, a larger, more frequent meeting place can
be arranged.

-- 
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 South West Amiga Group - http://www.swag.org.uk
 afb-ot's official webshite - http://www.afb-ot.the-works.org.uk
--
A clean disk is the sign of a sick computer

Hello,
  Can some one please set my mind at rest? I have just taken delivery
of the new 3.5 O.S from Epic.And I'm some what causious about loading
it up because I'm afraid it will upset my  existing set up. Some of
you will say "what the h*ll did you buy it for?" Well I'd like to up
grade my WB and help support Amiga.So will it upset any of the
following,all on WB.
 In WB start up:TurboStart and Net connect.
 In Prefs I have  IDEFXprefs,Mime prefs,Turbo prefs and cdfs prefs.
 In my second partition (I have only two) I have paint progs,word
prossesor etc etc.
 So  can someone set my mind at rest and give me a simple answer?
 Many thanks
 Primo.
primo@busancano.prestel.co.uk    6/11/1999

Hi Andy
Somewhere around 04-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re: free
pop3 mail

> There's always Free4all, you get the choices of:

.....

I'll wait for you to fix the YAM problem first :)

Mash - 
-- 
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Whipped cream, chocolate, baby oil...what did you have in mind?

On 05-Nov-99, s-c.tennant1@tees.ac.uk wrote:

> Is there any Amiga users who use NTL as there ISP. 
> As there connection CD that genarates the password and user ID is
> Windows 

I tired, but tthe CD never seems to arrive... :P

> However NTL told me that it is only possable to use there service with 
> Windows or Mac OS. Considering his knowlage of Amiga (he had not even
> heard of it) 

Any idea how much a national peakrate call is?......

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

The hypocrits are slandering the sacred halls of truth. -Rush

On 05-Nov-99, Ben Vost wrote:

>>> Ben, annoyed that a discussion about electricity should have the
>>> subject "Suicidal Amigans".

>> Maybe because Amiga is running out of energy?  ;-)  But it was a follow
>> on from safely opening your Amiga.

> The point was why wasn't the subject updated? It had nothing to do with
> the topic listed.

And what did moaning about not changing subjects have to do with electricity
eh?

Mash - not quite as petty
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

This discussion is hanging by a thread.

On 05-Nov-99, David Baker wrote:

> PRICE - 700 o.n.o

700!!??

> A1200 - Ez-Tower
50
> Magnum 040/25 with 16meg RAM
80
> 4.3 Gig Hard Drive
50
> 32x CD-ROM
20
> A4000 Keyboard
20
> Elbox Flyer
40
> Pace 56k External Modem
60
> 3.1 ROM`s
20
> Opus Magellan II
30
> Netconnect 2
20
> Mouse
10
> Joystick
10

310 quid. In fact you could buy all that brand new for cheaper than that...

> living in America, and as we all know electrical goods from England won`t
> work over there so I gotta sell all my gear. Now why can`t the whole world
> use a standardised voltage, it`d save a lot of hassle. Never fear though,
> once I`m settled over there I`m gonna be getting myself another Amiga, I
> just can`t live without one and I`m not going to lower my standards and
> buy a PC.

It will work you know, just get a new powerpack!!???

Mash - 
-- 
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Gotta hide the phone bill from my wife.

On 05-Nov-99, Ben Vost wrote:

>> About 3p to download it.

>> Would you like us to have a whip round for you?

> You wouldn't raise that much on here...

I've got a beer bottle cap, thats a good start isn't it? maybe some might be
able to stretch all the way up to some belly button fluff?

Mash - broke
-- 
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Confucius Say, "Stop quoting me!"

On 05-Nov-99, amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

>> What about all us people with non-Elbox interfaces? So we have to
>> buy hardware we practically already have now?

> Well, you get a faster IDE interface AND an updated CDFS to boot...

I beleieve he was trying to say he alredy has one, but needs to buy a poerC
one to get the DVD support software? perhaps...maybe....

Mash - sure
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Mama's Don't let your babies grow up to be Sysop's

Hi M.
Somewhere around 05-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re:
Gateway are strangling Amiga  (IMHO)

> Phoenix and the phase5/QNX thingy are joined at the hip.

> Amino sucks. Fleecy hasn't got a clue what he's doing. I pity
> Bill McEwen for being drawn in by his evil brand of charm..

Gawd only knows why AA felt that including Matt's name in the list of
members would do them any good... ;)

Mash - Yet to appear in AA, the 4th emergency service
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Beer makes the world go `round (and `round, and `round...

Hi Andrew
Somewhere around 04-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Help!!
Towering Inferno

> Upon powering up the lead from the interface to the CD-ROM caught fire. I
> quickly switched the power off and put out the flame (it was only small).
> I then checked to see if the hard drive was OK but when I tried it, it
> wouldn't spin up. The bloke on the technical helpline said it was because
> I connected it up the wrong way around,

Personally I would have got the people who sold me the i\f to pay for a new
one plus all of the drives which were screwed up.

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

There's no skeletons in my closet.

On 05-Nov-99, maartend@dds.nl wrote:

> I started with the Image-FX manual from CU. In it it says;
> to delete the current brush press the full stop key.

> What key is that?

full stop? Y' know, that little dot thing you use to end sentances fully?

. . . . . . . . <- these little buggers, next to the , and / keys

Mash - stopping .......... ......... ..... .... .. . .  .   .   .    .     .
      .       .
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"Picard!  You cheated!  I'm impressed!" - Q

On 05-Nov-99, Ben Vost wrote:

>> ?  Is AF a haven of evilness ?  As a subscriber I demand to know.

> There is a general aura of evility that lingers around the whole of
> Future...

ummm......evility isn't in my dictionary.....yes I checked......

>> (Arrgh I've told them where I live now)

> Live? Not for long! Mwahahahaahaha!

Thats why I get mine delieved to a false address in Scotland, where once a
month I go to pick it up :)

Mash - minime
-- 
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Ura Redneck if there are tobacco stains down the sides of your school bus.

On 05-Nov-99, necronlord@totalise.co.uk wrote:

> I'd like to do 3d modelling but i don't know what package to get and
> where. I need a package that is easy to use but still powerful. I've
> got c4d2 from the free copy given away but i would like to be able to
> have visible light such as fire and headlights on a car.

Your best bet would be Imagine (the website is on every cover CD under
CADTech) that is the best (only?) 3D renderer which is still being worked
on. It's also the cheapest of the mid range ones too, only 120. You'll get
the most/best textures of ANY 3d proggy, animation, morphing, PPC support
etc. I've used it for years (and just recently brought it) You'll also get
updates about every month or so. You can do headlights on cars (check out
the issue which was on sale at this year's WOA show and look at the
gallery. My entry was made with imagine and has visible light in both
images shown.

Mash - 3D
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"You may impress me." - Worf

Hi Danny
Somewhere around 05-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re:
Tornado (was Help to Cinema4D)

>> the new year. It would be good if my Amiga was working to play with it
>> on...

> What's wrong with your Amiga?

It's CD drive is spinning round and round, making funny noises and spewing
stuff all over the place. Oh and the mouse is levitating.

Guess who's to blame?

Mash - not evil
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I believe there's a ghost of a chance to find someone to love. - RUSH

Hi M.
Somewhere around 05-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re: Which
renderer?

> You can't buy Imagine anymore, nor can you enter the
> constant-upgrade program now.

> Unless you know better?

Um, are you in some way retarded?...ho hum.

1) You CAN buy imagine, I just bought the thing!

2) ditto, exactly what I did.

Plus if you flip the page in AA which has your name on, you'll see a news
article about it, saying clearly it is still open.

But the main point is that it's being written for constantly, it's not just
been left for months (years?) like others (ahem) have. It's actively being
programmed and updated.

Mash - rendering
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Man, that thunder sounds clo##! &^###NO CARRIER

On 05-Nov-99, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

> PS Ben, i wasnt around when the last 'whip round' for the removal of
> adverts occured..if i was, i'd have paid into it

hmmmm,
1) How much is it?
2) When did you last do it?
3) How much did you get?

Mash - loaded
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Best way to appreciate a job: imagine yourself without it

Hi M.
Somewhere around 05-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re: Which
renderer?

>> only 2 weeks ago did they sort out more of the V6 manual. 

> Great..?

considering the last manual was for V3.0!!!

>> anyway, the people at Cadtech are doing a fine job

> But nobody sees it, except loyal Imagine users. That's
> no use for necrothingy ;)

What do you mean sees it? you mean you want a demo version?

Mash - narked
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Freefall Sex: It's not risky, is it?

On 05-Nov-99, Ben Vost wrote:

>> All others are just a pale imitation of the true evil one (me, that is).

>> Shit, I'm gonna start believing this if it goes on for much longer. I've
>> found myself standing in front of the mirror practising my diabolic laugh

> Only he can't see himself...

bwahahahahah (or should that be mwahahaha! ?)

Evilness, try it you might like it

Dick Drummond, when standard evilness just isn't enough

Drummond, just for the *hell* of it

AF - The world's best selling evil amiga magazine (Go on, I _DARE_ you to
put that on the top of the next issue, hehehe)

Monster Mash
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Ura Redneck if, Your front porch collapses and kills more than three dogs.

On 05-Nov-99, amimjf@hotmail.com wrote:

>> Unless you know better?

> I tried i really did,.. i dont think they wanted my money cos i
> couldent find and amiga dealer (in this country) who had old (i5) stock
> or could source any more. 

The only distributor of Imagine in the UK is CADTech, look on any cover CD
for their website, simple as that. they are looking at letting others sell
it once V6 is finished and the manual is written

> Which is a pitty, cos it was great (if you
> had a few, days|weeks|months)
> available to learn it.

'tis easier now. Plus you can buy the I-Files, a CD packed with tutorials
and stuff, very nice, might buy it soon

Mash - 
-- 
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Oxymoron: Political Embarrassment.

On 06-Nov-99, A. Timiney wrote:

>> I said proportional.  You know what that means? 

> Yeh, but whenever I say proportional, and don't mean directly
> proportional, I get corrected.
> Besides, if you mean... ah, never mind, this is dull.

>>> -curry, hoping noone notices he's a student and should know better...

>> Tim - Electronics Engineer, in the real world.

> -curry, wondering what the real world is.

Ok, no-one has actually answered the question yet, think 8-year old kid
who's a bit thick, now start again :)

Mash - not wanting to die via amiga
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Monkey in blender = Rhesus Pieces

Hi

Just found this in my inbox, guilty!!?.....

"
I am flabbergasted sir, to heap such aspariguss upon my soul with curses and
invocations is truly unworthy of such a knight as you. I DO NOT KNOWINGLY,
SIR,
SEND HTML with me email, nay I do NOT sir. but I do belive that this
transgression  upon nature were NOT done with my goddess Eudora, nay was
STOLEN
into the vile format with the first commenter whom didst so vilely fornicate
the goddess Eudora.
In fact when asked upon bended knee of the goddess Eudora she blinks her
full
of the sky eyes, and professes not to know this HTML vileness, though she
eats
upon it..
Prithee look you upon the message. It asked after the zombie squad of AOL,
LOOKING for members thereto, I am not now, nor sir, have I EVER been
associated
with the 'unwashed masses' of AOL, (Except my daddy). I hold my lance higher
then that sir [when I can get it up].
Any futher asspearagus heaved upon out heads with result in a call to
battle,
where my sword shall meet yours upon the field of justus.
Drift.... 
"
Mash
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Oxymoron: Crowded Sky.

Hi M.
Somewhere around 05-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re: Which
renderer?

> But can I get a copy of Imagine?

What do you mean get a copy? you mean buy?, of course you can! You can buy
v5 at any time. The ACUP is just for people who have prepaid for version
6.0, they get all the update along the way rather than waiting months for
the final thing

> No. Nobody does, unless they enrolled in that ACUP thing.

Like the army, no leave, pay, women etc....

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

I feel better than James Brown... how do you feel?

Hi Alan
Somewhere around 05-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re: Which
renderer?

>    [The following text is in the "windows-1252" character set]
>    [Your display is set for the "iso-8859-1" character set]
>    [Some characters may be displayed incorrectly]

Sorry mate, it's your mail reder which is adding that. The raw data from
matt contains no such text at all. Whatever you're using is adding it to
the front methinks

Mash - 
-- 
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

All stressed out and no one to choke!

Hi Alan
Somewhere around 05-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re: Which
renderer?

> only 2 weeks ago did they sort out more of the V6 manual. 

Can we download it yet?

> by the way, your mail said that those 3 were the best you could get on
> the Amiga...didnt say anything about availability or being able to get
> hold of it ;-)

> anywa, the people at Cadtech are doing a fine job

Ummm, technically it's a person ;) Doesn't stop it being mightly fine
though, you only need to look at programs such as photogenics to see that a
team of 100 spotty teenagers isn't needed for decent software

Buy imagine!, support software which is being supported. Oh, and of course
there is the mailing list with all the programmers on it, about 10-20 mails
a day, any answers questioned, and vica versa

Mash - cubiod
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It's nice that people who love L.A. live there.

On 04-Nov-99, Gareth Griffiths wrote:

> hehe. have fun! i had to do this not so long ago. i had the IT technician
> doing most of it like, but we (me and 3 m8's) are the IT prefects at
> school if you like. If something goes wrong with the computers and the
> others are busy we get pulled out of lessons to sort it out ;)

1 word Gaz. Nerd. ;) take up football, kickboxing or become a mugger now
while you still can!

Mash - not the above
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There is never truth without sufficient proof.

The wishlist has been updated. Many wishes added, some removed.
http://www.neko.u-net.com/35wish.html
Now with pictures! Three of the wishes have pictures attached to
explain them. Check it out!
Neko

fool <basehead-@bigfoot.com> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=35780
                                          ^
> That one? ;)

Sorry, but i quoted the text from the mag.

> Or maybe it's the any key...

No, already found that one (it's next to the e-mail key)

pmcham-@club-internet.fr wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=35788

Thanks, that must be the one. I never new '.' was a full stop.
>   Excuse me but, unless you're both kidding, why can't it be
> the key with a full stop on it, i.e. THAT '.'  ?
> 
>   Patrice - Still writing from his browser <:-(
> 

"jonathan day" <jonda-@totalise.co.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=35795

> So, now I have the serial no.s, how`s about someone e-mailing me the
proggy?
> ;-)
So you have the number. You must be a C4d-user and not a pirate. I'll
think I'll send you the files

CU
maarten

Hi Primo,

>  In WB start up:TurboStart and Net connect.

OS3.5 puts all the stuff in your WBstartup drawer into a new drawer
call WBstartup-disabled (which is created inside WBStartup).  All you
have to do is after installation move all the stuff back into
WBStartup.

>  In Prefs I have  IDEFXprefs,Mime prefs,Turbo prefs and cdfs prefs.

It will leave any non-standard WB prefs unchanged.

>  In my second partition (I have only two) I have paint progs,word
> prossesor etc etc.

Doesn't touch any partition except the one you want to install
workbench to.


>  So  can someone set my mind at rest and give me a simple answer?
>  Many thanks

In other words I can't see you having any problems.


Carl
Accy, Lancs.

Hi Mash,

>=20
> It's CD drive is spinning round and round, making funny noises and spewin=
g
> stuff all over the place=2E Oh and the mouse is levitating=2E
>=20
> Guess who's to blame?
>=20

Erm=2E=2E=2E=2E Mr=2E & Mrs=2E Vost ?

(I blame the parents joke =A9 afb-ot 1999)

Carl
Accy, Lancs=2E

Howdy, peeps,

While I was looking through some books in WHSmith yesterday, I came
across a book about astronomy/physics/stuff by "Simon Goodwin".

S'not /the/ Simon Goodwin, is it?

Paul C, wondering
-- 
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    I got a full house and four people died.

Hi Mash,

> > You wouldn't raise that much on here...
 
> I've got a beer bottle cap, thats a good start isn't it? maybe some might be
> able to stretch all the way up to some belly button fluff?

You're not having any of that ! A mans belly button fluff is his own
private business. I do have a left over pork scratching from my last
visit down the pub however.

You can thank me later,

Eddie  :)

Hi Gareth,
I just looked at AmIRC and althogh the Username box is ghosted (as is
the the IdentD box) it clearly says "Bifford" in it.  So
unfortunately, your answer doesnt appear to be the the right answer,
sorry.  Any more possible causes?

Thanks,
Bifford the Youngest.


> Assuming you are using AmIRC, there should be a string gadget on the
main
> window when you first load it (where you select your server) called
> Username. If this is ghosted then deselect the Use IdentD checkbox.
This
> string gadget is where the IRC server gets your username from (its
probably
> set to 'root') so you will need to change it here.
> 
> I suffered exactly the same problem on EFNet and it took me f'ing
ages to
> figure out how to unghost the gadget :)
> 
> You may have to opt to not load IdentD in GENESiSPrefs (I don't think
there
> is a seperate option, i think you just deslect Load InetD or
something)

Hello Tom

> Hi there,
> 
> Seeing as it seems to be one of the unwritten policies of this list, I
> thought I may as well tell everyone that after being an AF reader for an
> almost consistant 5 years, I've actually gone and subscribed at last!  So
> you guys (Ben et al), to protect my investment you'ld better keep up the
> good work :)

well all I know is my shares have gone sky high with Future Publishing getting
on for double :-))))


               Cheers all the best

                       Ken 




  

Hello David

> Before I am judged as a guy jumping ship I must say that I`m not. I have no
> choice about selling my beloved Amiga. In a few months time I will be living
> in America, and as we all know electrical goods from England won`t work over
> there so I gotta sell all my gear. 

why don't you just use a voltage convertor and run it via say a 4 way lead to
all your harware that way it will be OK, only thing maybe could be the modem
will it work with US phone sys' if bought in UK (i don't mean socket).

I have a DVD player bought from the USA, runs great running from voltage
convertor 

                 Cheers all the best

                       Ken 




  

Hello Matt,

I've just got rid of MCP as it is not working very well with OS3.5. One
thing I really miss is some sort of Assign manager, I think this should
be a part of the OS. And maybe they could include a small commodity that
does things like doubleclicktofront, noclick for floppy drives etc. in a
system legal fashion. Maybe they could even build this kind of
functionality into the workbench.library and make it available via the
Workbench prefs editor.

Regards
-- 
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  Good evening,

  I've already talked about the problems I'm  having getting Afb messages 
into my Yam mailbox, but things are getting worse!

  I tried to modify my subscription, and since it didn't work I unsubscribed
and subscribed again... I got the welcome message at 13.59 today, and only
twelve messages since then, including one from yesterday and another one
posted on Oct. 27th!!! 

  Apparently, only Afb messages are held; I sent mail to other groups and
got it immediately. I've read about 20 messages from Matthew O'Neill using
IBrowse, but I'm still waiting for them in my 'incoming' file.
  Probably they'll reach my mailbox in a couple of hours, like yesterday...
What's happening?

  Ptarcie - Confuced/no, confused!

Hi amimjf@hotmail.com

> > > > > there has been alot of talk about cinema4d lately and many ppl
> have
> > > > > asked for the serail number. well the number for c4d is
> > > > > 6110502929-397A7 and the no for magiclink is 911938879510
> > > > > i hope that help's ppl
> > > >
> > > Sh**e and fan springs to mind!!!
> 
> > So, now I have the serial no.s, how`s about someone e-mailing me the
> proggy?
> > ;-)
> 
> Lets all join in,... kicking maxon (and legal reasons appart why not),
> anyone want me to uppload Maxon C++ ??

Only if you've got the serial no.s ;-)

Alex - OE, gnnnnnnnyyyych

Hi

> Tornado (was Help to Cinema4D)
>
> >> the new year. It would be good if my Amiga was working to play with it
> >> on...
>
> > What's wrong with your Amiga?
>
> It's CD drive is spinning round and round, making funny noises and spewing
> stuff all over the place.

Has anyone ever pressed eject on a CD-ROM drive, only for the tray to open
instantly with the CD still spinning around like a ninja's shuriken?  Scary,
I'll tell ya.

Alex, hmf

Hi Paul

> While I was looking through some books in WHSmith yesterday, I came
> across a book about astronomy/physics/stuff by "Simon Goodwin".
> 
> S'not /the/ Simon Goodwin, is it?

And while we're at it, did our Simon Goodwin ever write for Your Sinclair?

Me

Hi Alex,

> 
> Has anyone ever pressed eject on a CD-ROM drive, only for the tray to open
> instantly with the CD still spinning around like a ninja's shuriken?  Scary,
> I'll tell ya.

Yep, In fact my SCSI drive is doing it all the time at the moment
(thats when it doesn't crash the computer altogether), still plays
audio CDs though, good job I've a spare IDE drive :-).

Carl
Accy, Lancs.

On 05-Nov-99 19:07:36, Matthew O'Neill (mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk) wrote:

>> There's always Free4all, you get the choices of:

>I'll wait for you to fix the YAM problem first :)

We fixed it a while ago :-p


Regards,

Andy

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On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 20:48:38 +0100, Patrice Champarou wibbled=2E=2E=2E

>   I tried to modify my subscription, and since it didn't work I unsubscri=
bed
> and subscribed again=2E=2E=2E I got the welcome message at 13=2E59 today,=
 and only
> twelve messages since then, including one from yesterday and another one
> posted on Oct=2E 27th!!!=20

eGroups is going through one of it's regular periods of crapness; I
changed my email account yesterday, got eGroups to redirect my mail=2E It
didn't redirect, so I decided to change the address back=2E They'd changed
my password, somehow=2E So I gave up, until later=2E This time, I loggedin,
reverted to this mail address, and the mail started going to my other
address=2E After six hours, it started coming to this address again, and I
really can't be bothered to try it all again so I can use my other
account :(
--=20
=3DThe Wibble=3D      http://www=2Ethewibble=2Eco=2Euk     "As recommended =
by people"
=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=
=AF=AF=AF=AF (NEW) NEW LOOK!! =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=
=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF
Back with gaudy colours and new articles including=2E=2E=2EFull Fat Eastend=
ers=2E=2E=2E
           Postcards From Europe=2E=2E=2EHow Fire Works=2E=2E=2E And poetry

> > > there has been alot of talk about cinema4d lately and many ppl
> have > > asked for the serail number. well the number for c4d is
> > > 6110502929-397A7 and the no for magiclink is 911938879510 >
> > i hope that help's ppl >
> > Be prepared to..........DUCK!!! >
> > Regards
> >
> > chris
> > --

> Sh**e and fan springs to mind!!!

All very well but according to my notes the C4D code above is missing a
number!

Perhaps the files being downloaded will be above 95% complete also!

in a fit of rage Ken Walsh said something about [afb] Re: EGG

> > The latest version of voyager does work with http://www.egg.com .
> > I have myself used it to check my account. The other versions didn't though.
> > Are you using the latest prerelease?
 
> does this work with Barclays online banking

I don't think it will, as their system is tied exclusively to
IE/Navigator, but it may do if you spoof....

Cheers for now.
-- 
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>>Powered by Amiga in Crewe
anthony@prime.clara.co.uk

Hello Alex

On 06-Nov-99, you wrote:


>>> What's wrong with your Amiga?
>> 
>> It's CD drive is spinning round and round, making funny noises and
>> spewing
>> stuff all over the place.
> 
> Has anyone ever pressed eject on a CD-ROM drive, only for the tray to open
> instantly with the CD still spinning around like a ninja's shuriken?
> Scary, I'll tell ya.
> 
Mine does that too......scary-dary

Regards

chris
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packets and become a Priest?
-- Father Ted, Father Ted (Dermot Morgan - R.I.P.)

Powered by PowerPC Amiga in Dumfries & Galloway

A1200 Power Tower, 200Mhz PPC/060 50Mhz, BVision, 74Mb Ram, OS3.5, CGX V4.1

Panasonic 36" Wiiiiddeessccrreeennn TV, Pioneer 717 MultiRegion DVD, Denon
AC3 Decoder, JBL Speakers, Kef SubWoofer..... 

On 04-Nov-99 Alan L.M. Buxey said: 



>>   It's easy if you know my mate's Gran:  Ivy Watts   ;)
>> 

> or Charley Watts, the famous muso ;-)

Current x Voltage = Power

or

IV = Watts 

IVy Watts geddit

Regards
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On 05-Nov-99 Danny Shepherd said: =



> Just a little thing that's been bugging me for a while, what does OEM
> actually stand for and why do companies do it? For instance, a motherbo=
ard
> would have cost me =A3120 retail box but I got it for =A360 OEM. All th=
at was
> missing was the pretty box.

It stands for Originating Equipment Manufacturer and it is for people who=

build PC's for a living (and for fun if there is such a thing) so they
don't have lots of empty boxes lying around hope that helps

Regards
-- =

Wesley Potter    =

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On 05-Nov-99 Sealey, M. said: 


> Amino sucks. Fleecy hasn't got a clue what he's doing. I pity
> Bill McEwen for being drawn in by his evil brand of charm..

Oh No!! Please not Evil Fleecy

Regards
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On 05-Nov-99 Andy Mills said: 


> OI! I've never killed nobody!

Glad to hear it 

> Besides, I thought it was Amps that killed.

It is. It's about  0.1 MILLIamps IIRC 
> The HT side of a car's ignition system is a good example - it produces
> over 20k volts for each spark (depending on age, make and type of
> ignition system, this can be over 30k volts), but won't kill you unless
> you have a dodgy heart/pacemaker/whatever.

Regards
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On 05-Nov-99 maartend@dds.nl said: 

> I started with the Image-FX manual from CU. In it it says;
> to delete the current brush press the full stop key.

> What key is that?
> I can't find it, altough I found a lot of other short-keys

I'd hazard a guess at the key that produces a " . " :)

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On 05-Nov-99 Gareth Griffiths said: 


> hehe yeah. and WHERE IS MY BANANA PICKER? :)

In one of the cannibals huts :)

BTW anyone played The Curse of Monkey Island on a Windows box. There are
some corking gags in it. :D 

Regards
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On 13-Oct-99 Matthew O'Neill said: 

> IS that why Volvo's always have their headlights on?, to make them go
> faster?.... ;)

No it's because their made in Sweden where its dark all the time :)
Regards
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On 13-Oct-99 Matthew O'Neill said: 

AGA sound at 14 bit, 44KHz fine, sound card aint worth it
> until we get the nifty stuff like on the soundblaster live! cards

I agree that card is ACE :) Although it hates cheap motherboards with a
vengance (sounds familar :)  

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Dear All Folks,

As Ben Vost told us Power have stock of OS3.5 and I ordered one from them.
They charged my card on 30-OCT-1999, and will send it via AirMail. As of
today 6-NOVE-1999 I haven't receive it.

Does anyone have any problem with Power or some problem with UK Postal
service??

I hardly to wait for it coming and install on my A2K!! :>

Regards,

Alex
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Mail: raiden@netvigator.com
iCQ : 34651363
-------------------------------------------------------------------
A2000-Rev4.2-OSV3.1-KickstartV40.63-WorkbenchV40.42
Blizzard2060-50Mhz-128Mb-6Gig-SCSI2-SONYCPDG200-17'-FD Trinitron
PicassoIV-Picasso96V1.43B-I/O Extender-2xSerial-1xParallel
3Com V.Everything Modems-Fujitsu640M TurboMO Drive
Plextor32XCDROM Drive-Ariadne2 Network
 

*Hello sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com*

*On 06-Nov-99, you mailed me about [afb] Re: Using Root to login., so here's my reply..*

> Hi Gareth,
> I just looked at AmIRC and althogh the Username box is ghosted (as is
> the the IdentD box) it clearly says "Bifford" in it.  So
> unfortunately, your answer doesnt appear to be the the right answer,
> sorry.  Any more possible causes?

Hmmm. bizarre. have you tried the environment vars in ENVARC: ?

i tihk they are HOSTNAME USERNAME and DOMAINNAME or something like that.

*bYe nOw!*
*GazChap.*
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#E.MAIL#: *gaz@jokerd.co.uk*  #URL#: *http://www.jokerd.co.uk*
#ICQ#: *52909563*  #IRC#: *Undernet, GazChap*

For people who like peace and quiet - a phoneless cord

*Hello Wesley*

*On 06-Nov-99, you mailed me about [afb] Re: JavaScript again :) + 3 headed monkies, so here's my reply..*
> 
>> hehe yeah. and WHERE IS MY BANANA PICKER? :)
> 
> In one of the cannibals huts :)

some b**tard just nicked it and dropped out through a hole in the floor!!!
now what are you going to do about that? huh? HUH!?

I WANT MY BANANA PICKER! :)))

*bYe nOw!*
*GazChap.*
-- 
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#E.MAIL#: *gaz@jokerd.co.uk*  #URL#: *http://www.jokerd.co.uk*
#ICQ#: *52909563*  #IRC#: *Undernet, GazChap*

Lawyer: someone who can call 237 pages a BRIEF!

On 06-Nov-99 Alex Furmanski said: 


> Has anyone ever pressed eject on a CD-ROM drive, only for the tray to open
> instantly with the CD still spinning around like a ninja's shuriken?
> Scary, I'll tell ya.

It's happened to me !!! On the Windoze box, usually after a dodgily pressed
disc has been in it for ten minutes doing naff all and I press the button
in frustration 

Regards
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On 06-Nov-99 11:49:38 GMT, Alex wrote:

> As Ben Vost told us Power have stock of OS3.5 and I ordered one from
> them. They charged my card on 30-OCT-1999, and will send it via AirMail.
> As of today 6-NOVE-1999 I haven't receive it.

Give the posties a chance :)  Chances are, Power despatched your item at
the beginning of the week.  You didn't mention which country you are
in... if you're in Europe then it shouldn't take more than 2-4 days to
arrive - elsewhere allow 4-5 days (read, 1 week max).  In short, if you
don't receive it by the end the coming week, then that's the time to
start worrying.

You did ask Power if they had any OS 3.5 stock left didn't you?
They might have sold out by the time you ordered (30 October?).

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<tsb>

> Give the posties a chance :)  Chances are, Power despatched your item at
> the beginning of the week.  You didn't mention which country you are
> in... if you're in Europe then it shouldn't take more than 2-4 days to
> arrive - elsewhere allow 4-5 days (read, 1 week max). 

Netvigator is a Hong Kong ISP as far as I know (at least, my dad has
an account there and he's in Hong Kong).

No clue how long it takes to ship stuff there from the UK tho :)

Jason
-- 
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Hey all  

I have 3 differnet Amigas 4 sale.  First up is an A1200 Power Tower,
030/40, 16meg, 810mb hard drive, x8 CDROM, Commodore 1084S monitor,
Epson Stylus 440 colour printer, 56K Fax modem and many AF and CU
CD's.  Next up is a bare A600 with a mouse, a Panasonic colour Dot
Matrix printer and  some software.  Last is a CD32 (remember
that?)with Sx1 expansion, and a Star LC200 colour printer, floppy
drive also with some games.  I also have a 1.2Gig hard drive if anyone
is interested.

I am open to any serious offers on the above and I will split, within
reason.  C U later.  Brian.